The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Ron Swanson]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

[TitoFan]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

I'll just try to get a word in edgewise in the "Ron and Primo Show" to say that IMO there's nothing wrong with nationalism in boxing. In fact, you (Ron) are displaying some of it by defending Wilder come hell or high water. Nothing wrong with that. I just happen to think nobody is ducking anyone here, but Hearn and his followers are throwing Wilder a bone and expecting him to wag his tail and thank him for the table scraps. Still, I'm very passionate and supportive about my own countrymen champions. Not to mention mostly proud, because very rarely is one of my countrymen involved in high profile cheating a la Clenelo, Margacheato, etc. Nothing wrong with rooting for your own. It makes championship boxing that much more exciting. That's not to say I don't root for other nationalities, because of course I do. That's where the individual and his qualities come in.

You guys have certainly gone the extra mile in your respective defenses of Wilder's and Joshua's teams, but in the end none of it matters one damn bit. It all boils down to Hearn thinking Wilder isn't worth as much as Wilder believes he is. That's all. They're gonna push and shove, apparently very publicly..... and all of us fans are going to side with one side or the other. In the end, they might end up fighting other people before they themselves meet. They've got the youth, so I'm not worried about that part. That one of them might lose on their way to the mega payday..... yeah, but that's boxing for you. I just hope if they end up facing mandatories, that they survive them, so we can get this matchup at some point with both of them still undefeated.

[Ron Swanson]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

I'll just try to get a word in edgewise in the "Ron and Primo Show" to say that IMO there's nothing wrong with nationalism in boxing. In fact, you (Ron) are displaying some of it by defending Wilder come hell or high water. Nothing wrong with that. I just happen to think nobody is ducking anyone here, but Hearn and his followers are throwing Wilder a bone and expecting him to wag his tail and thank him for the table scraps. Still, I'm very passionate and supportive about my own countrymen champions. Not to mention mostly proud, because very rarely is one of my countrymen involved in high profile cheating a la Clenelo, Margacheato, etc. Nothing wrong with rooting for your own. It makes championship boxing that much more exciting. That's not to say I don't root for other nationalities, because of course I do. That's where the individual and his qualities come in.

You guys have certainly gone the extra mile in your respective defenses of Wilder's and Joshua's teams, but in the end none of it matters one damn bit. It all boils down to Hearn thinking Wilder isn't worth as much as Wilder believes he is. That's all. They're gonna push and shove, apparently very publicly..... and all of us fans are going to side with one side or the other. In the end, they might end up fighting other people before they themselves meet. They've got the youth, so I'm not worried about that part. That one of them might lose on their way to the mega payday..... yeah, but that's boxing for you. I just hope if they end up facing mandatories, that they survive them, so we can get this matchup at some point with both of them still undefeated.

It's not nationalism man, I will be rooting hard for AJ when they fight. Just, one side is not being real about what the other brings. Hearn said today it brings 500k PPV sales in the US. AJ didn't do 500 on free tv(in US) in any fight other than Wlad. Wilder consistently gets great ratings. To suggest it does 500k PPV in U.S. admits Wilders value, so be honest about it. Don't say nobody knows him, the numbers show that isn't true. Acknowledge his worth, pay his worth and kick his arse.

[brocktonblockbust]

Wilder can deliver 50 mil based on PPV, hell take THAT Instagram deal to the BANK, bitches!

[Ron Swanson]

Interesting interview where Eddie slips up at the end. "The offer, if in the UK, would be very hard to turn down" but Eddie, you said there were all these other issues. When you talk to much you reveal yourself Eddie. The problem wasn't really with the offer and you've admitted it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1FMW_4lb-hI

[Fenster]

Venue, Ron. Venue? The only slip ups are coming from you. He said the exact same as all the other interviews, is it America or UK? New York, Vegas or Alabama? Nobody knows because they refused to meet him.

You are/were wrong to call him a fibber over that.

It's a hard offer to turn down in the UK because he KNOWS the market. He KNOWS what the fight is worth. He doesn't have to gamble out of position. It's clearly a hard offer to turndown in the US too, hence his desire to negotiate.

[Fenster]

And as for the PPV? By his estimation doing 500,000 in America is optimistic. He orginally thought 300,000 but as Team Wilder are banking on 1 million he'll go with that.

There's no EVIDENCE that a great matchup will equal big PPV numbers - Ward-Kovalev, Golovkin-Jacobs did less than 200,000. In recent years only TWO proven stars, who spent years being built for PPV have broke a million - Floyd, and Canelo with the huge Latino market.

This, Ron, falls in line exactly with what YOU have said several times, and what has been said earlier in this thread several times about the over-optimistic 100 million pot gamble. Joshua is NOT a star in the States (as you said) and Wilder has NEVER done a PPV (no bigger a star than Wlad which didn't generate 100 million).

This is basic common sense.

[Primo Carnera]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

I'll just try to get a word in edgewise in the "Ron and Primo Show" to say that IMO there's nothing wrong with nationalism in boxing. In fact, you (Ron) are displaying some of it by defending Wilder come hell or high water. Nothing wrong with that. I just happen to think nobody is ducking anyone here, but Hearn and his followers are throwing Wilder a bone and expecting him to wag his tail and thank him for the table scraps. Still, I'm very passionate and supportive about my own countrymen champions. Not to mention mostly proud, because very rarely is one of my countrymen involved in high profile cheating a la Clenelo, Margacheato, etc. Nothing wrong with rooting for your own. It makes championship boxing that much more exciting. That's not to say I don't root for other nationalities, because of course I do. That's where the individual and his qualities come in.

You guys have certainly gone the extra mile in your respective defenses of Wilder's and Joshua's teams, but in the end none of it matters one damn bit. It all boils down to Hearn thinking Wilder isn't worth as much as Wilder believes he is. That's all. They're gonna push and shove, apparently very publicly..... and all of us fans are going to side with one side or the other. In the end, they might end up fighting other people before they themselves meet. They've got the youth, so I'm not worried about that part. That one of them might lose on their way to the mega payday..... yeah, but that's boxing for you. I just hope if they end up facing mandatories, that they survive them, so we can get this matchup at some point with both of them still undefeated.

@TitoFan , I can totally see where you're coming from and how tiresome this has been. So I'm gonna do the decent thing and not comment any further on this subject until something fresh happens.