Prime George Foreman vs. Prime Joe Louis.

[Master]

25 defences is a great achievement and no one can take that away from him and even if he ranted and raved he would still be 2nd in my book.

[TitoFan]

If we're comparing careers between Ali and Louis, it's hard to say because they both had defining victories in their illustrious careers. Ali's wins over Liston, Frazier, and Foreman can never be discounted nor taken away from him. One thing I do hold against him though, is how he managed to lose to the likes of Leon Spinks. Leon Spinks!!!! That he won the title back after that is irrevelant. How the f*** do you lose to a Leon Spinks? I give Ali credit for coming back and reinventing himself after his hiatus, going from a perpetual motion machine to setting down a little more on his punches. Ali wasn't the devastating puncher Louis was because he rarely committed his body entirely to the punch. So it's hard to say. Both were dominant in their eras. Both fought and beat feared fighters.

[El Kabong]

25 defences is a great achievement and no one can take that away from him and even if he ranted and raved he would still be 2nd in my book.

Yeah and I get that, I do....you're rating Ali's competition higher than Louis' and that's fine but I just see it differently and that too is fine. 25 consecutive successful title defenses is a tangible, measurable record....if Ali was dropped in Louis' era could he have accomplished that? We can guess but we'll never know. We DO know however Ali couldn't match the accomplishment in his own era.

[Master]

25 defences is a great achievement and no one can take that away from him and even if he ranted and raved he would still be 2nd in my book.

Yeah and I get that, I do....you're rating Ali's competition higher than Louis' and that's fine but I just see it differently and that too is fine. 25 consecutive successful title defenses is a tangible, measurable record....if Ali was dropped in Louis' era could he have accomplished that? We can guess but we'll never know. We DO know however Ali couldn't match the accomplishment in his own era.

We also know that Ali did not get knocked out and lose whilst he was young and up and coming fighter.

[El Kabong]

25 defences is a great achievement and no one can take that away from him and even if he ranted and raved he would still be 2nd in my book.

Yeah and I get that, I do....you're rating Ali's competition higher than Louis' and that's fine but I just see it differently and that too is fine. 25 consecutive successful title defenses is a tangible, measurable record....if Ali was dropped in Louis' era could he have accomplished that? We can guess but we'll never know. We DO know however Ali couldn't match the accomplishment in his own era.

We also know that Ali did not get knocked out and lose whilst he was young and up and coming fighter.

Because his trainer cut his glove to buy time....but sure

[Master]

25 defences is a great achievement and no one can take that away from him and even if he ranted and raved he would still be 2nd in my book.

Yeah and I get that, I do....you're rating Ali's competition higher than Louis' and that's fine but I just see it differently and that too is fine. 25 consecutive successful title defenses is a tangible, measurable record....if Ali was dropped in Louis' era could he have accomplished that? We can guess but we'll never know. We DO know however Ali couldn't match the accomplishment in his own era.

We also know that Ali did not get knocked out and lose whilst he was young and up and coming fighter.

Because his trainer cut his glove to buy time....but sure

Glove was cut any way and it would not have made any difference.

[El Kabong]

25 defences is a great achievement and no one can take that away from him and even if he ranted and raved he would still be 2nd in my book.

Yeah and I get that, I do....you're rating Ali's competition higher than Louis' and that's fine but I just see it differently and that too is fine. 25 consecutive successful title defenses is a tangible, measurable record....if Ali was dropped in Louis' era could he have accomplished that? We can guess but we'll never know. We DO know however Ali couldn't match the accomplishment in his own era.

We also know that Ali did not get knocked out and lose whilst he was young and up and coming fighter.

Because his trainer cut his glove to buy time....but sure

Glove was cut any way and it would not have made any difference.

Sure thing, whatever makes you happy @Master



I guess one of these days I'll learn to keep my view to myself

[Master]

25 defences is a great achievement and no one can take that away from him and even if he ranted and raved he would still be 2nd in my book.

Yeah and I get that, I do....you're rating Ali's competition higher than Louis' and that's fine but I just see it differently and that too is fine. 25 consecutive successful title defenses is a tangible, measurable record....if Ali was dropped in Louis' era could he have accomplished that? We can guess but we'll never know. We DO know however Ali couldn't match the accomplishment in his own era.

We also know that Ali did not get knocked out and lose whilst he was young and up and coming fighter.

Because his trainer cut his glove to buy time....but sure

Glove was cut any way and it would not have made any difference.

Sure thing, whatever makes you happy @Master



I guess one of these days I'll learn to keep my view to myself

I respect your views and I love Joe. Hurts me to point out his weaknesses.