Who is lying?

[Fenster]

Regardless of who's lying AJ has fought stronger opposition than Wilder and Fury put together.

AJ's best five opponents to date

Wlad
Parker
Whyte
Povetkin*
Takam/Breazeale

Wilder's best five

Ortiz
Stiverne
Arreola
Duhaupas
Molina/Scott

Fury's best five

Wlad
Chisora
Cunningham
Hammer
Kingpin/Fat John

Name THREE fighters from Wilder and Fury's opposition combined who can replace names on AJ's record? I'll start with Ortiz.

Next?

[Gandalf]

Wilder would fight all of them Fenster and tried to fight Povetkin. Wilder is the hungry one of the 3. One ballooned up to the size of a brontosaurus, the other fights safety first. Meanwhile Wilder knocks people out. He is the dangerous fighter of the 3 and will overwhelm both IMO. It's like with Prime Pac, you can try and outbox him but he is going to explode and put you down several times along the way. Wilder just needs to connect and they fall.

[Memphis]

Since becoming champ, Wilder's fights last on average eight and a bit rounds. Joshua by comparison takes seven and a bit rounds against better opposition. Yet you hear it more and more how Joshua isn't a big puncher, 'not like Wilder'. Mental.

[Fenster]

You're opinion is cool and all Miles but whilst your "prime Pac" heavyweight "could" beat everyone the "safety first" one is actually doing it, in half the amount of contests.

Parker, Whyte and Povetkin are 50-50 with Wilder and Fury. Neither are certain to beat Breazeale or Takam either.

The best thing Wilder ever did was divert the plane back to America instead of going through with the Povetkin fight (he knew well in advance Povetkin was gonna get popped for the mexican meat)

[brocktonblockbust]

everybody said Primo carnera could not punch and he killed two people in the ring. He was a giant. Any giant can kill somebody give him the right angle and the right punch. It is very likely that Tyson Fury could kill Wilder

[p4pking]

You're opinion is cool and all Miles but whilst your "prime Pac" heavyweight "could" beat everyone the "safety first" one is actually doing it, in half the amount of contests.

Parker, Whyte and Povetkin are 50-50 with Wilder and Fury. Neither are certain to beat Breazeale or Takam either.

The best thing Wilder ever did was divert the plane back to America instead of going through with the Povetkin fight (he knew well in advance Povetkin was gonna get popped for the mexican meat)

It must be fair to just disagree entirely here? Parker whyte and povetkin are 50 50 amongst each other, but would have the same chance against fury or wilder that they would in rematches with Joshua, IMO. That’s not to say that Aj isn’t the top guy, I believe he is slightly, just that there is a pretty obvious top 3 and then a bit of a gulf.

[Master]

Either way AJ and Eddie Hearn are the ones looking like dicks. They know that no one is really interested in their fight and the big elephant in their press conference room will be Fury v Wilder.

[imp]

AJ has fought the better competition..period.

Can someone please remind me how many top ten ranked opponents that Wilder has faced?

Stirverne..Ortiz...mmmmm

[imp]

Wilder would fight all of them Fenster and tried to fight Povetkin. Wilder is the hungry one of the 3. One ballooned up to the size of a brontosaurus, the other fights safety first. Meanwhile Wilder knocks people out. He is the dangerous fighter of the 3 and will overwhelm both IMO. It's like with Prime Pac, you can try and outbox him but he is going to explode and put you down several times along the way. Wilder just needs to connect and they fall.

How come Wilder never fought Wlad?

[Master]

Wilder would fight all of them Fenster and tried to fight Povetkin. Wilder is the hungry one of the 3. One ballooned up to the size of a brontosaurus, the other fights safety first. Meanwhile Wilder knocks people out. He is the dangerous fighter of the 3 and will overwhelm both IMO. It's like with Prime Pac, you can try and outbox him but he is going to explode and put you down several times along the way. Wilder just needs to connect and they fall.

How come Wilder never fought Wlad?

Wlad that nearly beat AJ would have beaten Wilder.

[smashup]

This entire thread is just if's, buts and maybes.
Yes AJ or Hearn didn't want the Wilder fight when it was offered, for whatever reason, timing, conditions....
What we can be sure of is that it can't have been about the Money which was massive.
AJ has fought the better opposition compared to Wilder and Fury - no doubt about it.
I see ways that every one of them beats the other 2.
None of us know who will come out as the top fighter of the three until they get in the ring and fight.
Smart money would be on AJ as far as I'm concerned.

[TitoFan]

Whole lotta posts about who's better.... who's fought the better opposition.... blah, blah, blah.

Who cares. There's plenty of threads on that.

All I said was that Fury had made AJ look bad by doing something AJ was unable or unwilling to do......... come to an agreement to fight Wilder, and even in the U.S. to boot.

[Gandalf]

Joshua has become mechanical in his last few fights and lacks stamina. If Wlad at 55 can have him on the retreat for several rounds Wilder will have him on the floor again and again. He has the legs, the power, the combos. It will be messy. Who wanted that fight and who is fighting Fury first? Wlad was always chinny and that was the difference once he had gassed again. He always gets chinny when exhausted. Just too old and Toney schooled him in sparring too when he was meant to be good. Vitali was the real deal, Wlad less so.

[powerpuncher]

People are constantly overrating the HWs. I could buy into the fact that AJ had better competition than Wilder, but Parker and Whyte aren’t really much better than Stiverne and Arreola. None of them are good anyways.

[Fenster]

Parker and Whyte are prime guys with ambition, something Wilder and Fury have been kept away from.

Fury and Wilder really haven't proved they're much in front of the pack, they both have one good win which props them up, but overall their records are very weak.

Of the current top 10 heavyweights (The Ring) Fury has fought ZERO and Wilder ONE!

I'm not certain they beat any of a dozen heavyweights let alone AJ. And likewise he's not certain to beat Povetkin and a few others.