Terence Crawford- the best P4P in the sport today!

[Alpha]

Well there's certainly no shame in picking either Crawford or Lomachenko for the top p4p spot. Articles found online seem to be divided as well. I myself feel Crawford has the superior accolades, longer career, and can hang just fine on quality of opponents. We can all pick holes in the top opponents of the other guy. My personal picks for top Lomachenko opponents, in order of quality, would be: 1. Walters, 2. Linares, 3. Russell Jr., a bit of a gap there... then, 4. Rigondeaux, 5. Martinez. I hate to say it, but Martinez was a rather weak champion. Brave... fun to watch... but weak. Mikey Garcia had already destroyed him earlier. Rigondeaux was so way out of his league in size it wasn't even funny. What's funny is how Loma fans will grasp onto Rigo like it was Leonard-Hearns all over again. The other three I rate as great wins. Crawford's big wins I won't put in order, but suffice it to say I'd include Postol, Benavidez, Gamboa, and Dulorme in there. I'm sure Loma fans would poke holes in those too. Like I said, there's no shame in picking either, since that's what boxing pundits are doing.

Good post Tito.

Personally I feel Loma's best 3 are Russell Jr, Linares, and maybe Walters.

Put that alongside:

Briedis, Gassiev, Glowacki

Or

Narvaez, Taguchi, Payano

And there's not really a lot that's so superior.

[Ron Swanson]

Well there's certainly no shame in picking either Crawford or Lomachenko for the top p4p spot. Articles found online seem to be divided as well. I myself feel Crawford has the superior accolades, longer career, and can hang just fine on quality of opponents. We can all pick holes in the top opponents of the other guy. My personal picks for top Lomachenko opponents, in order of quality, would be: 1. Walters, 2. Linares, 3. Russell Jr., a bit of a gap there... then, 4. Rigondeaux, 5. Martinez. I hate to say it, but Martinez was a rather weak champion. Brave... fun to watch... but weak. Mikey Garcia had already destroyed him earlier. Rigondeaux was so way out of his league in size it wasn't even funny. What's funny is how Loma fans will grasp onto Rigo like it was Leonard-Hearns all over again. The other three I rate as great wins. Crawford's big wins I won't put in order, but suffice it to say I'd include Postol, Benavidez, Gamboa, and Dulorme in there. I'm sure Loma fans would poke holes in those too. Like I said, there's no shame in picking either, since that's what boxing pundits are doing.

Good post Tito.

Personally I feel Loma's best 3 are Russell Jr, Linares, and maybe Walters.

Put that alongside:

Briedis, Gassiev, Glowacki

Or

Narvaez, Taguchi, Payano

And there's not really a lot that's so superior.

For me there are very little differences that would have made huge differences. If Loma had taken the Berchelt fight before going to 135 it would have made a huge difference for me.(accomplishment as the marker) Or had Tank been willing (talent as the marker). I would have Loma beating either but they didn’t happen one not for Loma’s choosing. Just to have him show he is the best in a division rather than just look the best in a division.

Crawford actually showed he was the best at 140, no debate, no opinion. Undisputed. That doesn’t put Crawford above Loma, it’s just a feather in his cap. I want to see Loma match that accomplishment. It’s right there for him, can be done by early next year. Go get it, prove it.

[mikeeod]

@Alpha, circling back on the comment of Usyk having the better competition when compared to Loma. He has beaten the best of his division, for sure (and had some good, tough fights along the way), but I feel like cruiserweights have historically been a less talented division/group. This may be because I became a fan in the 80s and after Evander left there wasn’t much talent or love for the cruisers and I’m biased. I just always felt, even when I competed, that the comp around the smaller to middle weights were much tougher since the talent pool was so kick larger. I recognize that this may just be my personal bias, but interested in other people’s perspectives.

[p4pking]

@Alpha, circling back on the comment of Usyk having the better competition when compared to Loma. He has beaten the best of his division, for sure (and had some good, tough fights along the way), but I feel like cruiserweights have historically been a less talented division/group. This may be because I became a fan in the 80s and after Evander left there wasn’t much talent or love for the cruisers and I’m biased. I just always felt, even when I competed, that the comp around the smaller to middle weights were much tougher since the talent pool was so kick larger. I recognize that this may just be my personal bias, but interested in other people’s perspectives.

I didn’t become a fan of breathing until the late 80s, so I probably can’t offer you a lot of insight, but I have thought that cruisers have often been underrated in recent years. There is nothing close to the weight difference between either side of it. You’re talking a lot on either side. It’s also a pretty easy case to argue that guys in general are less coordinated/talented the bigger they are. I feel like a lot of very good fighters fall victim to just being the wrong size to compete in a more glamorous division, and that a lot of extremely good fighters only moved up to HW for the financial benefit and notoriety. Holyfield’s as good an example as any. He was almost certainly juiced to the gills his whole career at HW, and his average weight was what, 215?

[Alpha]

Haha fan of breathing 😂 F-ckin auto correct aye?

Size has never really mattered to me, I prefer to go of opposition and what I see in front of me.

Remember the current cruisers are about the same size roughly as some of our favourite heavies, Big George never really got much over 220 until after his comeback. Ali was his best around 210. Today's cruisers rehydrate to at least that.

I'm pretty sure watching Usyk we can all agree that he is a fantastic fighter. It's sort of the same as Ricardo Lopez (not comparing him to Usyk) just that his form was punch perfect and in that only many rate him as a great, the opposition is what let's him down.

Just a few of my thoughts on it.

[Ron Swanson]

I thought it was a folksy way of saying he was born in the late 80s haha

[p4pking]

Yea man, you finally got something right!