Undefeated: The Big Zero?

[powerpuncher]

I personally think there is too much focus on undefeated records. To me it's more about who you are fighting and how you are performing.

Agreed. It definitely helps, but absolutely nobody has all easy fights. You will have a bad day or a bad style match up. The tougher your competition, the more likely you will be to lose. To real boxing fans, a loss isn’t a huge deal as long as you come back from it.

[Primo Carnera]

an "0" is something that is protected and used as a negotiating chip to get up the ladder and get a shot . There's much less chance now of losing a few early fights and getting back in contention, mainly because guys don't fight as often, hence less opportunities to set the record straight.
When the Boxer arrives at the top table and gets his chance, people can then see his true worth and the "0" will be less relevant and it'll be about how he fares.
Once they get to the top level, a loss isn't the end of the World because they'll get a chance to redeem themselves.
This is why almost all of the perceived ATG's have a loss on their record .

[Alpha]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

[Primo Carnera]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

[Alpha]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

Agree, just trying to point out that loses don't mean you can't fight.

[nuggetdotcom]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

Agree, just trying to point out that loses don't mean you can't fight.

In terms of both statistics and basic common sense you are both right. Unfortunately the 'o' nowadays means friendly matchmaking, promoters influencing/appointing judges, graft to and from sanctioning bodies etc. Deontay fucking Wilder as a classic example.

[Alpha]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

Agree, just trying to point out that loses don't mean you can't fight.

In terms of both statistics and basic common sense you are both right. Unfortunately the 'o' nowadays means friendly matchmaking, promoters influencing/appointing judges, graft to and from sanctioning bodies etc. Deontay fucking Wilder as a classic example.

It is definitely used as a tool I guess by promoters, as are belts, fake beefs etc to increase sales.

Who was that Danish heavyweight (Neilson I think) that was like 40 something and 0.