Undefeated: The Big Zero?

[Alpha]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

[Primo Carnera]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

[Alpha]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

Agree, just trying to point out that loses don't mean you can't fight.

[nuggetdotcom]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

Agree, just trying to point out that loses don't mean you can't fight.

In terms of both statistics and basic common sense you are both right. Unfortunately the 'o' nowadays means friendly matchmaking, promoters influencing/appointing judges, graft to and from sanctioning bodies etc. Deontay fucking Wilder as a classic example.

[Alpha]

Look at guys like Farmer or Salido, their records started of terribly. But they learned their trade and reached the world level.

These are exceptions rather than the norm. Salido has taken a long road to get back over a much longer period of time than most Boxers careers.

Agree, just trying to point out that loses don't mean you can't fight.

In terms of both statistics and basic common sense you are both right. Unfortunately the 'o' nowadays means friendly matchmaking, promoters influencing/appointing judges, graft to and from sanctioning bodies etc. Deontay fucking Wilder as a classic example.

It is definitely used as a tool I guess by promoters, as are belts, fake beefs etc to increase sales.

Who was that Danish heavyweight (Neilson I think) that was like 40 something and 0.

[TitoFan]

A parallel can be made with some team sports. If anyone follows college football here, you'll know what I'm talking about. Every year some XYZ University will finish undefeated and fans will try and stake a claim to being #1. Unfortunately, some of these teams fatten up on totally inferior competition, sometimes driven by the conference they're in. If you spend your entire season beating up on the North Dakota Universities of the world, your zero actually doesn't mean much.

[Memphis]

When we talk about the '0' we're talking about the big time Charlie who's an amateur star, promoted up to the hilt and in our faces from day dot, especially now right?

In that scenario the 0 is absolutely important. Selling a fighter aside, no one wants to get their man beaten early doors, get him pushed no doubt, but beaten. There has to be something worth being beaten for.

As already mentioned there is a shelf life to this 0 lark and a point at which it has to become a case of how good you are rather than how well you've been matched.