Should transgenered people be allowed to box?

[Spicoli]

I'm just surprised no one is going on about how this was put on by Fishnets .

Really though, is there agreement that a male transitioning to female with hormones, surgery etc still affords that former male individual advantages in a contact sport? But this specifically is a female transitioning to compete against men and that appears to be excepted. Why twist it to tear down a case that no one is making . Do the same thought and physical advantages not hold for the 0-5 male opponent?

[Beanz]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

[Fenster]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

Don't be surprised, he never could grasp the monumental difference between transgender and homosexuality or little boys wearing dresses and makeup to perform song and dance.

[TitoFan]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

Don't be surprised, he never could grasp the monumental difference between transgender and homosexuality or little boys wearing dresses and makeup to perform song and dance.

Just 'cause you've had your argument come crashing down in flames like the Hindenburg, don't take it out on anyone else. Man up and admit you're on the wrong side of the tracks.

Or not.

[Fenster]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

Don't be surprised, he never could grasp the monumental difference between transgender and homosexuality or little boys wearing dresses and makeup to perform song and dance.

Just 'cause you've had your argument come crashing down in flames like the Hindenburg, don't take it out on anyone else. Man up and admit you're on the wrong side of the tracks.

Or not.

What argument? I didn't even post in this thread or offer an opinion.

As usual, Titofan, you got angry because someone dared challenge your lack of knowledge and hypocrisy so proceeded to dilute an adult conversation into childish insults, then played the "victim." (You're not fooling anyone)

[TitoFan]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

Don't be surprised, he never could grasp the monumental difference between transgender and homosexuality or little boys wearing dresses and makeup to perform song and dance.

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

Don't be surprised, he never could grasp the monumental difference between transgender and homosexuality or little boys wearing dresses and makeup to perform song and dance.

Just 'cause you've had your argument come crashing down in flames like the Hindenburg, don't take it out on anyone else. Man up and admit you're on the wrong side of the tracks.

Or not.

What argument? I didn't even post in this thread or offer an opinion.

As usual, Titofan, you got angry because someone dared challenge your lack of knowledge and hypocrisy so proceeded to dilute an adult conversation into childish insults, then played the "victim." (You're not fooling anyone)

No. You didn't post in the thread or offer an opinion. The post just prior to mine was just a figment of my imagination.

The only usual part here is you ignoring bunches of people having the same opinion as me, only to home in on mine with your laser focus and have a go at it.

You and Beanz continually pat each other on the back... sort of a sick tag team fraternity... and of course you have a common enemy... me.

Just want you to know however, that your opinion of what I have to say means sooooooooo much to me.

Naturally, I'm devastated when we disagree on just about everything.

Scratch that. You agree on some things, but when you see what my position is, you immediately rush to the other side just so we can get into these entertaining tit-for-tats.

[TitoFan]

Enough people on here have stated they have the same opinion as me on this, which is that the safety of women boxers is paramount. If that is going to be compromised by allowing transgender boxers to fight them, then it shouldn't be allowed. To prove my point, I posted several opinions from women boxers themselves saying as much.

What happens? I get forum erudite Swanson calling me a "sexist", (probably without knowing what that means).... Beanz promptly thanking him because of his perpetual hard-on for transgenders and thinking something offensive has been said... also blathering about International Women's Day and all sorts of bullshit. At some point you predictably chime in and then say "who me?" when I respond.

Does this sort of sum things up for you?

Glad to be of help.

[TitoFan]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

No Beanz... ...you hadn't posted. You just "thanked" Swanson for his diametrically opposed view where he rushed to pull the "sexist" fire alarm handle without bothering to think about what is being said.

No wonder Miles rightly accuses you of backing off of statements you've clearly made or positions you've made distinctively clear.

Like I told Fenny..... man up to what you say and do, and everyone will respect you all the more for it.

[Dark Lord Al]

Ive been giving this some thought , at least LOW BLOWS could be made legal

[Beanz]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

No Beanz... ...you hadn't posted. You just "thanked" Swanson for his diametrically opposed view where he rushed to pull the "sexist" fire alarm handle without bothering to think about what is being said.

No wonder Miles rightly accuses you of backing off of statements you've clearly made or positions you've made distinctively clear.

Like I told Fenny..... man up to what you say and do, and everyone will respect you all the more for it.

To be honest if I could have given him a high five, shook his hand or bought him a pint, I would have. You are not really helping yourself shrug off the sexist label by telling people to man up either. I don't know where your hostility is coming from, but the opening post was about a transgender man, so Spicoli was bang on with his description of people wanting to manufacture an argument where there is not one. I am assuming like me you are way too old to box anymore, so what exactly is the problem? Like Ron says if a female boxer does not want to fight a transgender women then I would be quite surprised if they were mandated to do so against their wishes. Every boxer makes this choice, whoever they fight.

You are basically arguing for removing the choice of other people. You brought me into the thread and now you are moaning about me expressing/not expressing my opinion it seems? At this point I have no idea what the fuck you are actually on about. You certainly are not taking the brave stand you think you are. The forum today on International Women's Day could not be any more hostile to women if it tried. I work with female boxers, ring card girls etc and they all have a lot more bottle and frankly 'balls' then a lot of the posturing alpha males strutting their stuff here. It is 2019 for crying out loud. In gyms all over the world, amateur and pro shows, girls and women are dedicating themselves to the noble art with just as much heart and soul as the men and boys, and yet here they are still seen as a novelty.

I haven't backed off anything I have said, whatever Miles may claim. The fact that Ron, who works with fighters every day, is able to make a reasoned and sensible, nuanced series of points without resorting to the bloody neanderthal conservative black and white argument that often passes for debate here is refreshing.

[TitoFan]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

No Beanz... ...you hadn't posted. You just "thanked" Swanson for his diametrically opposed view where he rushed to pull the "sexist" fire alarm handle without bothering to think about what is being said.

No wonder Miles rightly accuses you of backing off of statements you've clearly made or positions you've made distinctively clear.

Like I told Fenny..... man up to what you say and do, and everyone will respect you all the more for it.

To be honest if I could have given him a high five, shook his hand or bought him a pint, I would have. You are not really helping yourself shrug off the sexist label by telling people to man up either. I don't know where your hostility is coming from, but the opening post was about a transgender man, so Spicoli was bang on with his description of people wanting to manufacture an argument where there is not one. I am assuming like me you are way too old to box anymore, so what exactly is the problem? Like Ron says if a female boxer does not want to fight a transgender women then I would be quite surprised if they were mandated to do so against their wishes. Every boxer makes this choice, whoever they fight.

You are basically arguing for removing the choice of other people. You brought me into the thread and now you are moaning about me expressing/not expressing my opinion it seems? At this point I have no idea what the fuck you are actually on about. You certainly are not taking the brave stand you think you are. The forum today on International Women's Day could not be any more hostile to women if it tried. I work with female boxers, ring card girls etc and they all have a lot more bottle and frankly 'balls' then a lot of the posturing alpha males strutting their stuff here. It is 2019 for crying out loud. In gyms all over the world, amateur and pro shows, girls and women are dedicating themselves to the noble art with just as much heart and soul as the men and boys, and yet here they are still seen as a novelty.

I haven't backed off anything I have said, whatever Miles may claim. The fact that Ron, who works with fighters every day, is able to make a reasoned and sensible, nuanced series of points without resorting to the bloody neanderthal conservative black and white argument that often passes for debate here is refreshing.

I "brought" you into the thread?? Did I request that you thank Swanson for his post? You brought yourself into the thread. But again, that is symptomatic of exactly why it is that you somehow manage to fight with just everyone else in the forum. You seem to not be happy unless you're being confrontational.

I'm not "helping myself shrug off the sexist label"? Ok, so you are pretentious on top of being confrontational. Listen, if all I have to worry about is the likes of a Ron Swanson and you calling me sexist, I think I'll be able to sleep at night. This is EXACTLY what people like Miles rake you over the coals for, and precisely the reason you are impossible to have a decent argument with.

Kindly spare me your resume (and Swanson's) about working with fighters and women. I don't pour out my life here on the forum for all to see, but I'll just leave it as saying that I've got my own personal experiences. Sexist is the least of things I am. You want to call me a bully? Go right ahead. Angry? Sure.... only when people like you and your Batman-Robin partner Fenster jump at anything I say because it doesn't fit your own personal preferences. Opinionated? Not nearly as much as you, I'm afraid. But sexist? What a goddamn joke. Wasn't all that long ago you and half the forum turned a blind eye to a veteran poster who used to routinely refer to women as whores, sluts, and bitches. Double standards, anyone?

Once again, and quit ignoring stuff that doesn't fit your narrative, what of the opinions of the women boxers I've quoted and posted on this thread? Those mean more to me and most other people on here than any amount of flowery gibberish you could possible muster.

Hilarious how you could take someone like Ron, known for his abrasiveness and bluntness, and talk about "reasoned, sensible, and nuanced points." You are incapable of seeing truth if truth itself were to come up to your angry mug and slap you across the face.

Once again, in case you missed the memo:

1. I did NOT bring you into the thread. You brought yourself in by thanking Swanson on his knee-jerk reaction, incorrect, and presumptuous post.

2. Just because you pour your own life's details into the forum, does not give you a monopoly on any life experiences nor does it give you the knowledge or license to judge others.

3. Women left here because of racist, sexist, thuggish dumbasses like VD. But continue assigning blame to everyone you don't necessarily agree with.

4. It's the opinion of the women in the sport that counts. In that regard, your opinion and those of Swanson aren't worth spit. What about this don't you understand??

5. Nobody here..... NOBODY is saying anything against female boxers. That is just you twisting the argument with blatant lies to suit your agenda.



Now, I've purposely avoided arguing with you because I do not wish for yet another war where the likes of you is involved. All that accomplishes is having your pet bouncer come running over to join the fray.

You have a perfect right to your opinions.... but so do I. So let's just back off because I'm going to let you bully me from behind your keyboard like you like to do with so many others.

Goddamn, it's no wonder Miles hates your fucking guts.