Should transgenered people be allowed to box?

[Beanz]

The only women shamed into silence in this thread were the female boxers who were quite happy to fight trans people. You pretended they didn't exist and just quoted fighters that agreed with you.

'Dirty little Agenda' "bore a hole in your skull' 'burned at the stake'?

Go back and read and you will see you are just inventing stuff. More than aware of the whole debate and those athletes I expect you have never heard of. Master reffered to it right at the start. Been all over the British media. Great program on Radio 4, I will look up for you about it from weeks ago.

Interesting fact. I once kissed Plymouth legend Sharon Davies. I was 11 and I got to shake Superstars and Judo champ Brian Jack's hand too.

Oh c'mon Beanz. You're desperately grasping at straws in a shameful way, just for the sake of trying not to lose an argument. "The only women shamed into silence in this thread were the female boxers who were quite happy to fight trans people"??

Do you even read what you shovel?

Those women aren't reading this thread, Beanz..... not that I should have to clear that up for you.

Those women are quite happy harping on about how they would gladly fight trans people. Probably because #1 they know full well they probably won't really have to face any..... and #2 probably they don't want to sound like wimps. It's a win-win situation. You say the right thing.... and can privately refuse later on if the situation were to come up.

And yet you fail to understand how women objectors are the ones being shamed into silence? Really?....................... Really?

Do you understand that it's not just me saying it.... it's women authority figures in sports? Including athletes?

Is "winning" an argument worth more to you than the safety of women in sports? (Nod your head yes). Go ahead... admit it. Everyone's entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong and disgusting.



BTW, many of these women objectors are talking about sprinting, football, cycling...... sports other than boxing where again the objective is to knock each other senseless.

Logic would say it's even more of an issue in boxing, where permanent damage and injury can occur.



Amazing how you clutch onto your "house of cards" argument.

Tito you are inventing my argument in order to create a position that I do not inhabit. You are not one of the few objective posters on the site, however many times you keep telling us all. It's always about winning for you, but it is very lazy for you to paint all the other posters with the same brush. That is purely projection on your part.

Female boxers should be forced to fight trans boxers who pre gender reassignment were born male < This is the argument you are inventing in order to give your own position some kind of relevance or credence.

That is your argument nobody else's. So desperate to have that argument represented as a strawman opponent for you to knock down, you then starting mentioning people who had not even offered an opinion in the thread and insisting this was their argument (Myself, Fenster etc) .

It is not, it's your argument, you are the one who said when talking about a post op female trans boxer 'He's being forced onto opponents who want no part of it.'

It's the same bigotry dressed up as bravery argument. Standing up against an imaginary tidal wave you think threatens the very sandy foundations of your own daft arguments.

You continually go an about having a good set of values and casting anyone who doesn't agree with you as some weak willed degenerate without the fortitude to 'stand up' against what you see as some heroic stance against a prevailing wind. Yet right from the start you insisted that anyone disagreeing with you was actually supporting violence against women imposed against their will by men. That was a pretty low place to have to stoop to when nobody you were accusing had even contributed to the thread.

"If we want to play the all high and mighty with this, why not just drop all pretenses and just let women and men fight each other in the ring. Heaven knows we need more examples of men beating up on women in society. .... let's let the Ron's and the Beanzs and the Fensters of the world continue carrying their torch."

At this point only Ron had posted in the thread.

So the only one getting all high and mighty has been you all along. It is about freedom. Freedom of choice. That is as much about offering that opportunity to fight as it is about having the right to turn down that opportunity. It's a pretty basic principle.You want to dictate things as though your morality somehow supersedes that free choice.
Trans people exist and many want to participate in sport. There are not enough of them to have their own classification and so the complications involved will need to be addressed. And they are complicated, you are the loudest advocate for denying this complication. The over riding principle here in a thread with the title it has though, is that it is wrong to deny people opportunity, and that goes for the female fighters who are happy to fight them as much as it goes for those trans fighters.


So there really is no need to claim anyone disagreeing with you is wrong and disgusting and wants to disregard the safety of women. Not just women but fighters engaged in the sport who you also must think are just as disgusting for not agreeing with you. After all in your eyes they are also advocating disregarding the safety of women.


I applaud your desire to fight but really you are shadow boxing imaginary opponents in the corner.