Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
The EU is neo liberalist. Labour obviously played its part in Brexit by collapsing the economy and simultaneously letting in millions of people thus unsettling people and the Tories of course just carried on as they refused to do anything. And lest we forget the people were never consulted on the mass movement of people. That was not right and that along with the undemocratic nature of the EU is why anti EU candidates will likely sweep the board. Patriotism is to reject rule from beyond British soil. Most MP's including the vast majority in Labour seats want to be part of something the British people do not.
New Labor was massively anti immigration not pro, they wanted to appear tougher than the tories. It is still very funny on the day we ..not you mate...we are going to vote for Members of the European Parliament you are telling us how undemocratic it is while Westminster drags it's feet and fucks people over with their intransigence. Labour is split about 60/40 very much like the referendum but reversed. So don't pretend that democracy is about serving only the portion of the electorate you agree with. That is hugely dishonest. It is also part of this modern bury your head in the sand and pretend the American binary way of dealing with political and social issues is the way forward. It isn't. I don't understand what you have against unions and working together, co-operation, the pooling of knowledge and resources in the interests of everyone?

I am not supporting the bureaucratic or neo liberal aspects of the EU anymore than I would those of a British MP in London. What the fuck has London ever done for me or my community? Most of the retaining of important cultural things that make Britain what it is has had to be forced thru by Europe. Here, everything from the preservation of the Cornish language to the building of the Eden Project preserving the environment and representing the county globally, The huge fish market at Newlyn, support for the unemployed to get people into work and small business' all happened because of the EU not Westminster.

And I am not arguing for remain go back to the first post in this thread and stop putting words in my mouth. I voted remain because i believe in community change and reform from within but if people want to leave then so be it.


But where is their plan ? and don't just parrot WTO, that is far more globalist and open to corruption than that which you seek to replace. You have not thought it through at all.

Whatever happens we have to deal with Europe and the EU so sort it out and not by playing into the hands of globalists like you always do. PJW has a frickin world map behind him for Christs sake. It is lauaghable. Benjamin is there because he plays the American card he panders to that audience. So does Farrage and he birthed UKIP, made them, so you cannot disavow him or pretend his ethos of taking backhanders is not at the heart of it still.

Do you still not see? these alternative voices you are behind are on the same side as the Neo Cons you think you are opposing . You are supporting not just that kind of thinking but it's activities in the Middle east ETC by ignoring that FACT.