The Brexit Thread

[Beanz]

If the EU IS about "the free movement of people" then why are "the freely moving people" in question seemingly from the Middle East and Africa? I get that there's plenty of poorer Eastern Europeans moving as well, but at least those folks are European and if their nations are in the EU then perhaps that's what it was all for....but it seems to me (from the outside of course) that migrants from the Middle East and Africa get to 1 EU nation and then "freely move" to the EU nations with the best benefits.


Or is all that extremely cynical and not the case at all?

Yes that is extremely cynical not the case at all.

And the EU is not just about the free movement of people, not at all. It is not about poor eastern Europeans either. It is very weird when people say stuff like that as though there are not thousands of people from well off civilized countries working all over Europe with each other like they have for hundreds of years. There is a ferry to France and a Ferry to Spain only a few miles from here and people use them not just for holidays but to go and work in Europe like Europeans do here. Many of whom start businesses that employ British people.

The idea that the EU is only about poor eastern Europeans and migrants from the Middle East and Africa is a useful narrative perpetuated by those who want to capitalise on fear and the scapegoating of migrants etc.

[El Kabong]

Yes that is extremely cynical not the case at all.

And the EU is not just about the free movement of people, not at all. It is not about poor eastern Europeans either. It is very weird when people say stuff like that as though there are not thousands of people from well off civilized countries working all over Europe with each other like they have for hundreds of years. There is a ferry to France and a Ferry to Spain only a few miles from here and people use them not just for holidays but to go and work in Europe like Europeans do here. Many of whom start businesses that employ British people.

The idea that the EU is only about poor eastern Europeans and migrants from the Middle East and Africa is a useful narrative perpetuated by those who want to capitalise on fear and the scapegoating of migrants etc.

Nobody is saying that international businessmen don't exist, I certainly didn't say anything of the sort.




In the video there a few things I'll have to look at...1. The old man sea captain saying migrants come to Spain and immediately make more than a retired person (a claim I find dubious on it's face) 2. the old man refugee helper saying that migrants come to Spain but don't stay (If they don't stay then where do they go?) 3. "Spain's fragile Socialist government" (I know how the Democrats in America attempt to shore up their voting base.....you add more voters any way you can and people ALWAYS vote for Santa Claus so when politicians are very generous with other people's money that is a way to lock up reelection)



but again, I'm not there I just see things, I read things, I ask questions, and I know how things work in America and I compare and contrast.