Reparations for slavery...... yay or nay?

[p4pking]

I think Germany have given out reparations for the horror committed after the Second World War.

Uh, nope. Germany was demanded to pay massive reparations after the first world war, which had a lot to do with causing the second. Its so obvious why this is always a bad idea.

No, they gave reparation to the Jewish community. If they can do it, then anyone can.

Anyone can? Poor way to begin this argument. You are wrong by A degree that makes this toohard to argue.

[Fenster]

Give us money because hundreds of years ago dead people were slaves? Hilarious.

Who actually foots the bill and how much do they want?

[X]

Well, I am part black African and I have no personal angst about slavery (not saying it's not evil, but nobody in my family history was ever a slave). In fact, I suspect that some of my ancestors sold subjugated and weaker people to be slaves via Zanzibar.

Understandably, Caribbean people or black people in other countries whose ancestors were enslaved get angry about it. There isn't really a burning sense of injustice amongst Africans from Africa.

Reparations is difficult, there isn't a right answer. People have been impoverished and given little chance of success for generations, and it's not completely their fault. However, white people - and Arabs and Africans - around nowadays arent the ones who enslaved anybody.

Where would the money come from, who would pay it, and who would get it? Would you have to prove your ancestors were slaves? What if it was only one great great grandparent? Would they only get a percentage? What if one ancestor was a slave and one was the owner (which happened a lot)? Would you have to pay yourself?

[TitoFan]

Well, I am part black African and I have no personal angst about slavery (not saying it's not evil, but nobody in my family history was ever a slave). In fact, I suspect that some of my ancestors sold subjugated and weaker people to be slaves via Zanzibar.

Understandably, Caribbean people or black people in other countries whose ancestors were enslaved get angry about it. There isn't really a burning sense of injustice amongst Africans from Africa.

Reparations is difficult, there isn't a right answer. People have been impoverished and given little chance of success for generations, and it's not completely their fault. However, white people - and Arabs and Africans - around nowadays arent the ones who enslaved anybody.

Where would the money come from, who would pay it, and who would get it? Would you have to prove your ancestors were slaves? What if it was only one great great grandparent? Would they only get a percentage? What if one ancestor was a slave and one was the owner (which happened a lot)? Would you have to pay yourself?

Thanks for weighing in and thanks for your honest vote.

Yes, it would be a logistical nightmare.... which is why I believe in putting SOOOO much more weight into efforts to fix whatever inequalities exist today. That is so much easier to manage and put your hands around than going back to 200 years ago and attempt to right a wrong which in the end will probably polarize the races even more. Resentment is sure to bubble up on both sides of the racial divide.

Thanks again for putting your opinion out there on a serious, real, and current issue.

[Spicoli]

Not sure of the practicality or realistic chance of this not ending in a gigantic clusterfeck. Honestly I don't know a single adult man or woman who doesn't know this is primarily a topic geared towards politics rather than some rising wave to seek 'justice' in any way. We as a whole would do better to use such a push to educate what humanity is capable of at it's worst but I believe we're moving more towards half thought out quick fixes..reparations..and are denying that our past..toppling historical statues and monuments into dark warehouses..made us what we are, in fact made us better today. No on reparations for me, though I have to say also that 1865 is really not that long ago. We can all trace our roots over generations be it a slave who was held on a Plantation that still stands today or some chucklehead on a boxing forum whos distant relatives fought both for the Confederacy and the Union army. We don't get do overs. Learn from history, respect and own it in all of it's pros and cons, and move forward.

[Kirkland Laing]

Not sure of the practicality or realistic chance of this not ending in a gigantic clusterfeck. Honestly I don't know a single adult man or woman who doesn't know this is primarily a topic geared towards politics rather than some rising wave to seek 'justice' in any way. We as a whole would do better to use such a push to educate what humanity is capable of at it's worst but I believe we're moving more towards half thought out quick fixes..reparations..and are denying that our past..toppling historical statues and monuments into dark warehouses..made us what we are, in fact made us better today. No on reparations for me, though I have to say also that 1865 is really not that long ago. We can all trace our roots over generations be it a slave who was held on a Plantation that still stands today or some chucklehead on a boxing forum whos distant relatives fought both for the Confederacy and the Union army. We don't get do overs. Learn from history, respect and own it in all of it's pros and cons, and move forward.

1865 really isn't that long ago. I've been around now for fifty years and i can tell you people who haven't that fifty years feels about as long as the blink of an eye. And while the world seems to be constantly changing I can tell you that the beliefs and motivations of your fellow humans don't change very much over half a century so the difference between how for instance pre civil war Confederates and their progeny today feel about these kinds of issues isn't significantly different in a lot of cases. It's basicallt three blinks of an eye.

As far as the reparations issue goes, this is unfortunately more than some people read in a year but some of you will welcome the perspective. This is one of America's top black journalists who wrote the article that has kicked off the whole reparations issue. It's five years old now but has been resonating more and more over the years. I challenge you all to read it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

[p4pking]

Can you just tell us whether he wants reparations or not? Then we know whether to read it or not

[Master]

I think Germany have given out reparations for the horror committed after the Second World War.

Uh, nope. Germany was demanded to pay massive reparations after the first world war, which had a lot to do with causing the second. Its so obvious why this is always a bad idea.

No, they gave reparation to the Jewish community. If they can do it, then anyone can.

Anyone can? Poor way to begin this argument. You are wrong by A degree that makes this too hard to argue.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

[TitoFan]

If reparations WERE to be approved, I'd then vote for every single slave descendant to get paid except for Denilson.

[SlimTrae]

Reparations via separation.

[Dia bando]

Slavery some of the traveling community had slaves using vunrable people to do ground work keeping them locked up in applying conditions taken off the streets there families thinking they were dead some of these poor buggers had been in slaved for years. This happend very recently not a couple of hundred years ago.!
Just something to chew on chaps history you cannot change in reality slavery is still with us to this present day people will if they can in slave the vunrable in theses modern times.!

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Slavery some of the traveling community had slaves using vunrable people to do ground work keeping them locked up in applying conditions taken off the streets there families thinking they were dead some of these poor buggers had been in slaved for years. This happend very recently not a couple of hundred years ago.!
Just something to chew on chaps history you cannot change in reality slavery is still with us to this present day people will if they can in slave the vunrable in theses modern times.!

All slavery is wrong

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We have to deal with our own country first and the dark history that it has. There are some people on this forum who think that just because other countries have also had slavery means that we cannot address what happened here in this country.

Not talkin about you dia Bando.

But some people are living in a logical fallacy world. Their arguments in which they move the goalposts to other countries are invalid and unsound. It's just a distraction to avoid the truth.

It's like the people who politicize mask-wearing.

[El Kabong]

I think Germany have given out reparations for the horror committed after the Second World War.

Uh, nope. Germany was demanded to pay massive reparations after the first world war, which had a lot to do with causing the second. Its so obvious why this is always a bad idea.

No, they gave reparation to the Jewish community. If they can do it, then anyone can.

Anyone can? Poor way to begin this argument. You are wrong by A degree that makes this too hard to argue.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

So you're wanting a rematch of the War between The States? You think that'll be positive? Because it seems like that's what you're wanting.



If reparations ever occur (and they won't on account of it's Democrat pandering because they're deathly afraid of being abandoned by a certain demographic) I'll be paying EXACTLY $0.00


.....it's a hill on which I will die



I would rather burn my money, my home, and all possessions and salt the Earth on which I have planted so that nothing ever grows on it again than have it pay for sins I never committed.




Understand the gravity of that @Master?

[Master]

No need for a rematch.

Reparation has been done before, it could be done for this situation. I do not know the specific details how it happens because I have no real interest but if the will is there then I am sure it can be worked out.