Reparations for slavery...... yay or nay?

[Kirkland Laing]

Not sure of the practicality or realistic chance of this not ending in a gigantic clusterfeck. Honestly I don't know a single adult man or woman who doesn't know this is primarily a topic geared towards politics rather than some rising wave to seek 'justice' in any way. We as a whole would do better to use such a push to educate what humanity is capable of at it's worst but I believe we're moving more towards half thought out quick fixes..reparations..and are denying that our past..toppling historical statues and monuments into dark warehouses..made us what we are, in fact made us better today. No on reparations for me, though I have to say also that 1865 is really not that long ago. We can all trace our roots over generations be it a slave who was held on a Plantation that still stands today or some chucklehead on a boxing forum whos distant relatives fought both for the Confederacy and the Union army. We don't get do overs. Learn from history, respect and own it in all of it's pros and cons, and move forward.

1865 really isn't that long ago. I've been around now for fifty years and i can tell you people who haven't that fifty years feels about as long as the blink of an eye. And while the world seems to be constantly changing I can tell you that the beliefs and motivations of your fellow humans don't change very much over half a century so the difference between how for instance pre civil war Confederates and their progeny today feel about these kinds of issues isn't significantly different in a lot of cases. It's basicallt three blinks of an eye.

As far as the reparations issue goes, this is unfortunately more than some people read in a year but some of you will welcome the perspective. This is one of America's top black journalists who wrote the article that has kicked off the whole reparations issue. It's five years old now but has been resonating more and more over the years. I challenge you all to read it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

[p4pking]

Can you just tell us whether he wants reparations or not? Then we know whether to read it or not

[Kirkland Laing]

Can you just tell us whether he wants reparations or not? Then we know whether to read it or not

It's a little bit of the history of the whole issue. Doesn't matter what the guy who wrote it thinks although he testified to congress recently I'm sure I remember seeing. The history is educational though regardless of the reparations issue.

[Beanz]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

[El Kabong]

This is one of America's top black journalists

Posts Ta-Nehisi Coates article HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Beanz]

I think Germany have given out reparations for the horror committed after the Second World War.

Uh, nope. Germany was demanded to pay massive reparations after the first world war, which had a lot to do with causing the second. Its so obvious why this is always a bad idea.

No, they gave reparation to the Jewish community. If they can do it, then anyone can.

Anyone can? Poor way to begin this argument. You are wrong by A degree that makes this too hard to argue.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

So you're wanting a rematch of the War between The States? You think that'll be positive? Because it seems like that's what you're wanting.



If reparations ever occur (and they won't on account of it's Democrat pandering because they're deathly afraid of being abandoned by a certain demographic) I'll be paying EXACTLY $0.00


.....it's a hill on which I will die



I would rather burn my money, my home, and all possessions and salt the Earth on which I have planted so that nothing ever grows on it again than have it pay for sins I never committed.




Understand the gravity of that @Master?

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

This is one of America's top black journalists

Posts Ta-Nehisi Coates article HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Money,home and possessions were not more important to Jesus than justice.

You are a Christian and therefore your entire belief system is built around paying for sins you have not committed. Those of Adam and Eve.

What are you so afraid of?

[El Kabong]

Money,home and possessions were not more important to Jesus than justice.

You are a Christian and therefore your entire belief system is built around paying for sins you have not committed. Those of Adam and Eve.

What are you so afraid of?

Reparations are not justice it's political pandering but I get that you're too dense to understand that. Remember who is promising these things and what they've accomplished.

I ADORE how you of all people lecture me on Jesus. You despise the religion you've said as much of your time practicing it. So don't come to me and tell me what is good and true and fair because you haven't the slightest idea.

You don't get to dictate to me who I am or what I believe.

Afraid? No, not afraid. I'm irked that 1. People are dumb enough to believe it would ever happen and 2. That people are dumb enough to think reparations would accomplish anything but further dividing the nation I live in and love.

Let's play it through let's say Reparations happen....THEN WHAT?

[walrus]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Let me know when you guys are done sucking each other off

[TitoFan]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

[Beanz]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

[walrus]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

yup real fearful, shaking with fear. I notice Big D Lars and The other racist who’s name I forget agreeing quite often

[TitoFan]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

Haven't read the whole thing yet, as it's quite lengthy and I wanted to respond before I read it. Still.... I got the gist of it.

Yes, it is a good piece of writing. But allow me to express a few thoughts up front.


Please.... do not continue lumping me in with other people. Please understand this is an annoying (and denigrating) habit which basically insults the intelligence of the other person. Give me the credit I give others of making up our own minds without belonging to some sort of "cult."

I'm sure Lyle and Walrus have their own thoughts on the matter. We will agree on some points, and disagree on others. You and I have both been here long enough to know I'm very much an individual.

Number two... I do not need to read that essay to realize the very real nature of racism and its continuing persistence into today's society... particularly in certain areas of the Deep South.

Admittedly, the article does bring out specific facts that are horrifying and sad to read at the same time. Sad that humans could be that callow, unjust, and ignorant.

I'm fully aware that racial injustices, including lynchings, have occurred well into the 20th century. Racial injustices didn't end with the end of slavery. Nobody in their right minds would believe such a crock.

Frankly, upon reading articles such as this, it's small wonder people like Denilson exist. Except I think Denilson carries it to a ridiculous extreme, as also thinks any sane person who reads the rubbish he writes.



Having said all this, I stand by my opinion that the way to "right a wrong" can sometimes be misdirected. I personally much prefer to look forward and see how we can bring the hammer down on institutionalized racism once and for all.

I could write a damn book on all my thoughts on this subject, as I'm sure many of us could as well.

I've always said I would've been a militant black had I been born black in the 50's or 60's in the States. Racism to me is one of the most vile, disgusting, inexcusable traits a human being could have.



What are some of my "cures" for this?

First, understand that the so called "quotas" of the past (and present), where the government assigns numbers to the number of blacks and women you have to hire....... is a gigantic mental ball of crap spawned by some lazy legislators who were late for a lunch date and needed to give the impression that they really gave a shit. It has NEVER worked.

Nothing artificial works or lasts.

But instead of trying to wrestle this "reparations monster" into submission and make everybody happy (it'll never happen), I'd favor using the inglorious, shameful racial past of the U.S. to do everything in our power to ensure that organizations get punished for discrimination, and rewarded for the lack thereof.

Granted, exact measures are a bit above my pay grade..... so before someone comes charging in here demanding to know how exactly I'd fix it....... I'll respond that if I had the answer, I wouldn't be sitting here putting it on Saddo's.

Measure number one: Abolish, criminalize the existence of ALL hate groups. KKK, White Supremacists, Aryan Nation, Skinheads, Neo-Nazis, etc. "OH..... but our 1st Amendment rights!" FUCK THAT..... with a capital "FUCK". The founding fathers did not intend for free speech to include "Hey Billy Bob..... let's go lynch so-and-so because he's black and we're better than him. We hate him." To claim as such, is to hide behind a document written eons ago and not using your gray matter between the ears to discern between what's right and what's wrong. If freedom of speech is the total blanket I say it is..... then I should be able to shout "Bomb!" at airports, and freely talk about how I'm planning on killing Donald Trump. Let's call a spade a spade and quit playing pretend. There's is NO fucking excuse for hate groups.

Hate crimes? I'm all for it. Does it need tweaking? Sure. But as I've said countless times....... Joe kills Jack because he was taking his wallet and Jack resisted..... he might get a 30-year sentence or life. Joe kills Jack just because Jack is black and was minding his own business? Joe gets the death penalty. TWICE. Nobody has to agree with me on this. It's my own thought. And by the way, Beanz....... you may have noticed that Lyle and I have never seen eye to eye on this. Doesn't mean we are disrespectful to each other or that we don't agree on anything.

Civil War statues and memorials? I'd leave them be. Use them to educate kids on the horrors of the nation's past. It's history. You don't erase history. You use it to correct past mistakes.

I also stand by my opinion that paying blacks reparations will NOT do anything toward lessening racial tensions now or in the future.

White Joe pays taxes toward reparations to black Jack. Now Joe says........ "There. I paid you. Now we're even. Now I can continue being the same racist asshole I've always been, and you can't say a damn thing about it because you've been paid." You do not pay for the mistakes of the past by assigning a dollar sign to it and off you go.

More solutions. The government should intervene in any state of the union that does not conform to integration policies and persists in living in the past. The government should come down HARD on institutionalized racism. We don't need rocket scientists to know what is institutionalized racism and what isn't.




I'll weigh in some more after I've read the article.

[Cleon]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

Can anyone use that word snigger

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

What quote ?

Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

White man - You are the one that brought up the past and now your saying the past should be forgot about and people should look forward.

Make up your mind.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Black people built the USA. So black people should get cash payments.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).

If black people were as resentful as you claim, then there would be no white ppl.

Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to white people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Asian people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Latino people.

Black people have been the most peaceful on the planet. You also know on some deep buried level, that if whites were in our position ? They would feel a murderous rage towards black people.

I think on a level that's so buried deep in white people's subconscious. They are aware of the violence and the THREATENED violence that it takes to keep a system going that they receive collective privileges from.

Black rage is justified.

If black people (who are PLACED BY WHITE PEOPLE at the BOTTOM of the RACIAL hierarchy) can be racist, what does that make the white people who created/invented/continue/enjoy the system/hierarchy that benefits them at the expense of everyone else[​IMG]

I couldn’t care less what white folks think or say in regard to anything I write here. Why should I? If they cared (as a collective/group) about black people, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

There’s something SPIRITUALLY wrong/lacking/woefully amiss in a group/collective who will continually support a diabolical system that mistreats people based upon the color of their skin — for centuries.

No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

I suspect that all white people are racists / white supremacists. That means even whites who marry and have kids to black people. Even whites who write books on racism.

All of them

[TitoFan]

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

What quote ?

Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

White man - You are the one that brought up the past and now your saying the past should be forgot about and people should look forward.

Make up your mind.

Brought up the past as a point of reference to say we should move on and look ahead. A difficult concept to grasp, I know. Believe me, it taxes all of my patience and then some to have to explain to you the very elemental aspects of conversation. Not to mention this.......

I have no racial hangups.

What's a racial hangup ?

It's painfully obvious to anyone who engages you that you're not dealing with a full deck. But that's ok. We all have our issues. Yours is that you have very low reading comprehension... that you seem to be stuck on one gear regarding racism... and that you probably had a traumatic, life-altering experience as a child (not long ago) which scarred you forever.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Black people built the USA. So black people should get cash payments.

That's your opinion. Fair point.

However, if you think this is, in any way, going to improve racial relations in the U.S., you're sadly mistaken. I realize this don't mean shit to you.... but it does to intelligent people that actually live in the U.S.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).

If black people were as resentful as you claim, then there would be no white ppl.

How resentful did I claim they are? Answer the question. You said "as resentful as you claim". That presumes a magnitude of resentfulness that I did not speak of. So HOW resentful did I claim they are? Either make sense with your words, or STFU.

Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to white people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Asian people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Latino people.

Black people have been the most peaceful on the planet. You also know on some deep buried level, that if whites were in our position ? They would feel a murderous rage towards black people.

I think on a level that's so buried deep in white people's subconscious. They are aware of the violence and the THREATENED violence that it takes to keep a system going that they receive collective privileges from.

Black rage is justified.

If black people (who are PLACED BY WHITE PEOPLE at the BOTTOM of the RACIAL hierarchy) can be racist, what does that make the white people who created/invented/continue/enjoy the system/hierarchy that benefits them at the expense of everyone else[​IMG]

I couldn’t care less what white folks think or say in regard to anything I write here. Why should I? If they cared (as a collective/group) about black people, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

There’s something SPIRITUALLY wrong/lacking/woefully amiss in a group/collective who will continually support a diabolical system that mistreats people based upon the color of their skin — for centuries.

No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

I suspect that all white people are racists / white supremacists.

Stop using the words "I suspect". One time it's "ALL white people are racists" and the next time it's "I suspect all white people are racists." You can't have it both ways. To use your words... make up your goddamn mind.

That means even whites who marry and have kids to black people. Even whites who write books on racism.

All of them

You speak 5% that makes a wee bit of sense..... and bury it with your 95% nonsense.

Your assertions that "ALL white people this....... ALL white people that....." are childish, exaggerated, ludicrous, and obliterate any speck of credibility you might be able to build with people you address.

You're doing blacks a disservice by being the racist, deluded nutcase you are..... because racism IS a real problem, and one that needs to be addressed. But addressed between intelligent whites and blacks. Not by deluded loons like yourself.