Reparations for slavery...... yay or nay?

[El Kabong]

Lets start with this rather predictable response.


Not only is it not the only article he has ever written you are talking about a very celebrated and award winning writer who has authored books, been an editor , a columnist, screenplay writer, has written comic books and poetry, a professor in writing , journalist and distinguished writer in residence. This is a guy who is very good at his job and you can't handle it. Why?

Let us be honest and let me ask you, how hard are you having to work in order to discredit someone in order to avoid engaging with the subject or admitting you may actually learn something?


Like i said you are trembling mate

"Mine is mine and if YOU or anyone else wants to come and take it you're welcome to try. "

Those are not the words of a calm man.

What are you worried about?

Nobody is judging YOU. All this hyper sensitivity is like a front. For what?

When you are a nationalist and a Christian, in a country like yours or mine, you should know about the principles and values you are defending. However secular each country claims to be both Great Britain and America are founded on Judaeo-Christian principles. You can't just divorce that from the evolution of your laws or history. Reparation and justice is a huge part of both the old and new testament and lies behind so many of the laws that govern the democracy i live under and your Republic. You seem to want to fight even about things we have in common. In fact more so. It seems to offend you when people do not conform to stereotypes and you are required to operate on more than a superficial level.

You may be a stenographer or a lawyer or even a copper for all i know but you don't seem very able to look at anything but one side of any argument.

The merits of self examination are not just an individual process they are a way in which societies and communities learn and move on. I am sorry if you think everything is some YouTube soundbite quick fix self help meaningless platitude, but that is what happens when you refuse to engage.

You have not addressed anything but your own desire to never change. You are aligning yourself with the very thing you claim not to have anything in common with.

A victim mentality. It's not about YOU or YOUR MONEY or YOUR PROPERTY.

If it's predictable why bother?

"Not only is it not the only article he has ever written you are talking about a very celebrated and award winning writer" .... So you read that literally instead of as hyperbole, you're so smart. I'm saying Coates, like Denilson is a real 'Johnny One Note'. He plays the "white people evil, black people naive and bereft of any internal locus of control or personal responsibility" that is ALL he does and he gets awards from effete lefties who enjoy giving awards that showcase their social justice beliefs because it makes them feel superior to everyone else. It's an ego stroke nothing else.

"Nobody is judging you" .... "When you're a nationalist and a Christian" ....really? Nobody is judging me? It's all you do.

What is YOUR answer on American borders? Do we have a right to exist as a nation or don't we?

"you don't seem very able to look at anything but one side of any argument."... He posted with no sense of irony.

"The merits of self examination..." ...he again posts with no hint of irony. At the end of the day you're pleading with me to see things how YOU see them and I specifically don't do that because I believe you view the world in a sad and twisted manner where you have absolutely no agency in life, no say over anything, you're a victim acted upon by everyone else. You DREAM that you're a revolutionary while you do nothing but tilt at windmills Don Quixote. Like Ta-Nehisi Coates you fetishize white supremacy, if it's not an imminent threat who are you and what are you doing with your life?

So who are you and what are you doing with your life?

I addressed the issue as I see it. Reparations #1 will never happen and #2 they're a pandering so low it's unimaginable. It shows how desperate the Democrats are...but you want to make this about ME... I've never owned a slave not now not ever, I've never kept anyone from doing anything based on their race, but I am supposed to pay because I'm Christian? I am supposed to pay because I believe I'm not a perfect human? Great reasoning.

Now as I asked before "play it out, say Reparations happen. Then what?" It's not "a game" it's a question and you didn't answer as per usual.

You're super good at standing in judgment of others, you're piss poor at taking your own advice.

[Gandalf]

Why should Lyle have to change or consider reparations? To whom and for what? He hasn't done anything to anyone. In the here and now, the black community owes itself and nobody is stopping anyone from improving themselves. The racism comes from refusing to accept that people do have agency.

My niece of 12 wants to be a Maths teacher. Absolute rock and roll. If you do not have a goal, try or have the faculties it won't happen, but the main thing is nurture, encouragement and trying. This constant 'victim of history' narrative brushes aside the terrible decisions being made in the here and now. Is she blaming Japanese colonialism and saying 'I cannot do anything with my life!' Nope, you maintain the family and knuckle on with things.

Parents are often condemning their own children, but good parents ensure a more likely productive outcome. People owe themselves first and foremost and once they have tidied the room a little they will find less dust.

[p4pking]

Your nieces parents should tell her, “your uncle Miles is a teacher”. Then she’d aim higher.

[Gandalf]

I think there is a huge difference in mentality here though and that is that if you want something you have to work at it to get it. Put it into perspective, not only was there the Japanese occupation where they did really horrendous things like try and eradicate culture and use violence to coerce, there was then a massive war that killed millions, but is anyone using that as an excuse as to why they are struggling? Japan give me some money! No, of course not. Actually there is a dislike of Japan, but it is not being excused as a reason why some people are remaining directionless and poor in the here and now. So if you are going to use the oppression argument, then you could apply it here as well as anywhere, but people instead actually choose to better themselves and just work hard.

[Beanz]

So Gandalf you obviously have not read it either. You come to any subject with your mind made up.

You read enough guff about Wilde, read something else for a change.

[Gandalf]

I read snippets, but am not persuaded. I believe in equality of opportunity meaning parents have a duty to be there for their kids and for education to be on tap, but beyond that you can either make good or bad decisions and that is up to you. Society provides enough for the disadvantaged already.

[Gandalf]

Yes, I will read something new after. Thank you for the advice.

[Beanz]

Lets start with this rather predictable response.


Not only is it not the only article he has ever written you are talking about a very celebrated and award winning writer who has authored books, been an editor , a columnist, screenplay writer, has written comic books and poetry, a professor in writing , journalist and distinguished writer in residence. This is a guy who is very good at his job and you can't handle it. Why?

Let us be honest and let me ask you, how hard are you having to work in order to discredit someone in order to avoid engaging with the subject or admitting you may actually learn something?


Like i said you are trembling mate

"Mine is mine and if YOU or anyone else wants to come and take it you're welcome to try. "

Those are not the words of a calm man.

What are you worried about?

Nobody is judging YOU. All this hyper sensitivity is like a front. For what?

When you are a nationalist and a Christian, in a country like yours or mine, you should know about the principles and values you are defending. However secular each country claims to be both Great Britain and America are founded on Judaeo-Christian principles. You can't just divorce that from the evolution of your laws or history. Reparation and justice is a huge part of both the old and new testament and lies behind so many of the laws that govern the democracy i live under and your Republic. You seem to want to fight even about things we have in common. In fact more so. It seems to offend you when people do not conform to stereotypes and you are required to operate on more than a superficial level.

You may be a stenographer or a lawyer or even a copper for all i know but you don't seem very able to look at anything but one side of any argument.

The merits of self examination are not just an individual process they are a way in which societies and communities learn and move on. I am sorry if you think everything is some YouTube soundbite quick fix self help meaningless platitude, but that is what happens when you refuse to engage.

You have not addressed anything but your own desire to never change. You are aligning yourself with the very thing you claim not to have anything in common with.

A victim mentality. It's not about YOU or YOUR MONEY or YOUR PROPERTY.

If it's predictable why bother?

"Not only is it not the only article he has ever written you are talking about a very celebrated and award winning writer" .... So you read that literally instead of as hyperbole, you're so smart. I'm saying Coates, like Denilson is a real 'Johnny One Note'. He plays the "white people evil, black people naive and bereft of any internal locus of control or personal responsibility" that is ALL he does and he gets awards from effete lefties who enjoy giving awards that showcase their social justice beliefs because it makes them feel superior to everyone else. It's an ego stroke nothing else.

"Nobody is judging you" .... "When you're a nationalist and a Christian" ....really? Nobody is judging me? It's all you do.

What is YOUR answer on American borders? Do we have a right to exist as a nation or don't we?

"you don't seem very able to look at anything but one side of any argument."... He posted with no sense of irony.

"The merits of self examination..." ...he again posts with no hint of irony. At the end of the day you're pleading with me to see things how YOU see them and I specifically don't do that because I believe you view the world in a sad and twisted manner where you have absolutely no agency in life, no say over anything, you're a victim acted upon by everyone else. You DREAM that you're a revolutionary while you do nothing but tilt at windmills Don Quixote. Like Ta-Nehisi Coates you fetishize white supremacy, if it's not an imminent threat who are you and what are you doing with your life?

So who are you and what are you doing with your life?

I addressed the issue as I see it. Reparations #1 will never happen and #2 they're a pandering so low it's unimaginable. It shows how desperate the Democrats are...but you want to make this about ME... I've never owned a slave not now not ever, I've never kept anyone from doing anything based on their race, but I am supposed to pay because I'm Christian? I am supposed to pay because I believe I'm not a perfect human? Great reasoning.

Now as I asked before "play it out, say Reparations happen. Then what?" It's not "a game" it's a question and you didn't answer as per usual.

You're super good at standing in judgment of others, you're piss poor at taking your own advice.

I have only just seen this. What do you mean El Kabong by

"You have absolutely no agency in life, no say over anything, you're a victim acted upon by everyone else. You DREAM that you're a revolutionary while you do nothing but tilt at windmills Don Quixote"

Only you are curiously incredibly active all over the forum during the hours when most of your state are out working, and you are determined not to tell anybody what you actually do? A bit like Gandalf insisting that I am supposedly unproductive while he sits at home and reads a book after working for only a few hours a week. I have been incredibly candid and it is quite easy for me to point you toward everything I do, because it is my job to document things, but you seem to think that achieving things makes me the victim. What have you achieved? Seriously answer the question. Today, last week, in your life? Where is all this agency you supposedly have? Why if you are so in control are you so worried about acknowledging other people's achievements? Why are you so insistent that somebody in another country apologise to you for an incident which has nothing to do with them? Why are you both so keen to portray yourselves as fighting for liberty when neither of you seem to leave the safety of your keyboard?

No wonder you couldn't read the article. It was simply too much like hard work. You are both part of the easy answers brigade. Coates is not perfect but it is a solid piece of work and he makes some very good points. What have you ever written? What has Gandalf ever written? Come on if you are going to pretend that only you and Gandalf get to designate who are writers and journalists, what is fact and what is fiction. You both think you are experts on things like English Law, of which neither of you have even the most cursory knowledge of. Of course you are entitled to an Opinion, but that is not enough for either of you. What you really want is to shut down dissenting voices and dismiss anything that challenges your myopic world view.

Look at the second hand reasoning employed by both of you. You think everything revolves around you. Both of you. You think because you did not own a slave then nobody deserves anything. Gandalf thinks because he has a job (allegedly) then anyone who does not earn what he does much be lazy like he is prone to be.

You are both stuck on class and identity, so much so that you can't handle anything that threatens that bubble you have built for yourselves. Lets have some honesty from both of you for once. Just a tiny bit would be a start.

Why have you never mentioned the reparations paid to slave owners for losing slaves? is that just too squirmy for you. One would have to ask why.

What about all the former colonized countries paying back reparations to countries that colonized them in return for independence? Like for example Madagascar has to your precious France

What about all the War reparations that should have went to Jews being used to pay the pensions of Nazi collaborators?

This is where the incredibly shallow, vacuous and tenuous assessment of the issue by you both is revealed.

Its not left vs right or Democrats v Republicans or Blacks vs Whites or Jews vs Nazis like you both pretend. It is something that needs to be addressed by people less fucking stupid than you pair.


From now on I will address you both as El Gand Bong