Andy Ruiz Jr vs Anthony Joshua rematch

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

[Mark TKO]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

[Kirkland Laing]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

If Matchroom are even minimally competent at drawing up contracts, and I'm sure they are, Ruiz' purse for the rematch will have been included in the original contract. He'll be able to stamp his foot and make threats and may get a few extra quid but it won't be anything substantial. Maybe he'll get a Nando's all-you-can-eat-free card valid for however long he's in Britain.

[Master]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

If Matchroom are even minimally competent at drawing up contracts, and I'm sure they are, Ruiz' purse for the rematch will have been included in the original contract. He'll be able to stamp his foot and make threats and may get a few extra quid but it won't be anything substantial. Maybe he'll get a Nando's all-you-can-eat-free card valid for however long he's in Britain.

I remember Whyte turning down the April fight specifically because the rematch clause stipulated what he would be entitled to which was in his opinion very low.

These rematch clauses need to be banned and made illegal.

[Kirkland Laing]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

If Matchroom are even minimally competent at drawing up contracts, and I'm sure they are, Ruiz' purse for the rematch will have been included in the original contract. He'll be able to stamp his foot and make threats and may get a few extra quid but it won't be anything substantial. Maybe he'll get a Nando's all-you-can-eat-free card valid for however long he's in Britain.

I remember Whyte turning down the April fight specifically because the rematch clause stipulated what he would be entitled to which was in his opinion very low.

These rematch clauses need to be banned and made illegal.

Even assuming it would be possible to ban the formally legally codified result of the disparity in negotiating leverage between a champion and a challenger, which it isn't, why would you want to do this? What difference does it make?

[Master]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

If Matchroom are even minimally competent at drawing up contracts, and I'm sure they are, Ruiz' purse for the rematch will have been included in the original contract. He'll be able to stamp his foot and make threats and may get a few extra quid but it won't be anything substantial. Maybe he'll get a Nando's all-you-can-eat-free card valid for however long he's in Britain.

I remember Whyte turning down the April fight specifically because the rematch clause stipulated what he would be entitled to which was in his opinion very low.

These rematch clauses need to be banned and made illegal.

Even assuming it would be possible to ban the formally legally codified result of the disparity in negotiating leverage between a champion and a challenger, which it isn't, why would you want to do this? What difference does it make?

I think they banned "options" in boxing, where the promoter of the champion has a say in the next fight(s) of the challenger should they win. So they could do the same with rematch clauses, it gives the challenger very little say in the next fight in terms of money, venue and other key factors of their career. It could be argued Ruiz could earn far more if he was free to negotiate on a fair level field.

[Spicoli]

Longer they draw it out more chance the ol stripping starts and it comes down to which shiny object Ruiz wants to hold onto. Pretty sure the wba currently has 19 heavyweight champs so rule nothing out. They'll be calling him a ducker within a month . I think Joshua is owed..needs..the easiest and least conflicted path to the actual fight itself and hope the politricks don't mess it up for everyone.

[Kirkland Laing]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

If Matchroom are even minimally competent at drawing up contracts, and I'm sure they are, Ruiz' purse for the rematch will have been included in the original contract. He'll be able to stamp his foot and make threats and may get a few extra quid but it won't be anything substantial. Maybe he'll get a Nando's all-you-can-eat-free card valid for however long he's in Britain.

I remember Whyte turning down the April fight specifically because the rematch clause stipulated what he would be entitled to which was in his opinion very low.

These rematch clauses need to be banned and made illegal.

Even assuming it would be possible to ban the formally legally codified result of the disparity in negotiating leverage between a champion and a challenger, which it isn't, why would you want to do this? What difference does it make?

I think they banned "options" in boxing, where the promoter of the champion has a say in the next fight(s) of the challenger should they win. So they could do the same with rematch clauses, it gives the challenger very little say in the next fight in terms of money, venue and other key factors of their career. It could be argued Ruiz could earn far more if he was free to negotiate on a fair level field.

How can you ban options? It's something negotiable and something challengers are willing to give up to get a crack at champions. Ruiz could earn more if he was free to negotiate but he isn't because he signed a contract. And he signed the contract because it was a massive opportunity for him that has actually paid off. When he signed it he had zero negotiating leverage. Almost zero, Joshua was desperate for an opponent. But Joshua could have fought anybody really. The contract Ruiz signed was a fair reflection of his worth in a commercial deal. He's only on the hook for one fight and then he's free. Just going back a few years the Klitschkos used to have options on three or four future fights for anybody they fought. Go back a century and fighters would be willing to pay the heavyweight champion most of their future purses for a fight for the title. Champions have the right to look after their interests as much as is legally possible. Joshua is only doing what anybody else in his position would do. It's a short career.

[Fenster]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

So all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour? Interesting. Even the stoppages are bogus.

Does this corruption, skulduggery and manipulation only apply to AJ or all British fighters? Have you ever noticed it anywhere else in the world? Any other fighters? There are lots and lots of rich ones.

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

So all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour? Interesting. Even the stoppages are bogus.

Does this corruption, skulduggery and manipulation only apply to AJ or all British fighters? Have you ever noticed it anywhere else in the world? Any other fighters? There are lots and lots of rich ones.

When did I say all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour. The stoppage against Takem was not necessary it could have carried on.

This happens is boxing, especially when the fighter carries a lot of power.

[Fenster]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

So all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour? Interesting. Even the stoppages are bogus.

Does this corruption, skulduggery and manipulation only apply to AJ or all British fighters? Have you ever noticed it anywhere else in the world? Any other fighters? There are lots and lots of rich ones.

When did I say all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour. The stoppage against Takem was not necessary it could have carried on.

This happens is boxing, especially when the fighter carries a lot of power.

history has shown Ruiz will not win a decision over here

Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage and the ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

That's two cases of "corruption" you've identified regarding AJ's career - the ref was "fraudulent" in the Takam contest and "judges" in Wlad's case.

What fights weren't predetermined? Is this shameful, dishonest, unethical practice exclusive to British fighters?

((#not all, #not all, #not all )

[Master]

Most fights where there is a lot of money/power at stake there are elements of favouritism for the “house fighter” and it is not exclusive to British fighters.

It has happened for years and can be the difference for a win or loss which is why they stack the odds in their favour no matter how trivial.

Obviously a knockout makes all the posturing redundant but even then fighter like Buster Douglas nearly lost his titles when he beat Tyson.

[Ron Swanson]

If you watch these arguments for who changes what is said and takes evidence of occurrence to a sarcastic “all” to dismiss the witnessed evidence then you know who has a poor argument.

Fact is UKAD created a real issue for UK fighters in their policy. The only champions that will travel to the UK right now are those that are absolutely sure they are significantly better than their opponent or getting paid through the roof. Until they inform opponents of failed drug tests anyone will be justified in refusing to travel. Contract or not. Does anyone really believe if a fighter fights their contract in court with the argument “they are willing to put me in with a fighter they know is on PEDs without telling me” that said fighter will lose their case? Eddie wouldn’t even take it to court it’s so easy to see the outcome. So what about the commissions, does anyone think they are eager to side with UKAD not informing them?

But let’s say the commissions do strip Ruiz, has it hurt Fury? Can’t Fury get a big fight any time he wants? Don’t they call him the champion without a belt? So wouldn’t they call Ruiz a champion without belts? Who really gets hurt most if Ruiz is stripped? Ruiz, who could still have a PPV with Wilder or Joshua twice going around picking up another mans belts? Maybe you can pick up another mans belts once without a stigma but twice, I don’t know man. I think that puts him in a very bad light.

[Fenster]

Most fights where there is a lot of money/power at stake there are elements of favouritism for the “house fighter” and it is not exclusive to British fighters.It has happened for years and can be the difference for a win or loss which is why they stack the odds in their favour no matter how trivial. Obviously a knockout makes all the posturing redundant but even then fighter like Buster Douglas nearly lost his titles when he beat Tyson.

Oh right, so it's not exclusive to British fighters, just the rich/powerful ones like AJ.... and now Ruiz, of course.

Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Floyd, Holyfield, etc - all had corrupt refs and judges throughout their careers. Cool.

[p4pking]

All of those guys had way cooler styles than AJ though, fact. Probably because they werent limeys, but there could be something else to it. Unlikely.