Andy Ruiz Jr vs Anthony Joshua rematch

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

So all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour? Interesting. Even the stoppages are bogus.

Does this corruption, skulduggery and manipulation only apply to AJ or all British fighters? Have you ever noticed it anywhere else in the world? Any other fighters? There are lots and lots of rich ones.

When did I say all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour. The stoppage against Takem was not necessary it could have carried on.

This happens is boxing, especially when the fighter carries a lot of power.

[Fenster]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

So all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour? Interesting. Even the stoppages are bogus.

Does this corruption, skulduggery and manipulation only apply to AJ or all British fighters? Have you ever noticed it anywhere else in the world? Any other fighters? There are lots and lots of rich ones.

When did I say all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour. The stoppage against Takem was not necessary it could have carried on.

This happens is boxing, especially when the fighter carries a lot of power.

history has shown Ruiz will not win a decision over here

Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage and the ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

That's two cases of "corruption" you've identified regarding AJ's career - the ref was "fraudulent" in the Takam contest and "judges" in Wlad's case.

What fights weren't predetermined? Is this shameful, dishonest, unethical practice exclusive to British fighters?

((#not all, #not all, #not all )

[Master]

Most fights where there is a lot of money/power at stake there are elements of favouritism for the “house fighter” and it is not exclusive to British fighters.

It has happened for years and can be the difference for a win or loss which is why they stack the odds in their favour no matter how trivial.

Obviously a knockout makes all the posturing redundant but even then fighter like Buster Douglas nearly lost his titles when he beat Tyson.

[Ron Swanson]

If you watch these arguments for who changes what is said and takes evidence of occurrence to a sarcastic “all” to dismiss the witnessed evidence then you know who has a poor argument.

Fact is UKAD created a real issue for UK fighters in their policy. The only champions that will travel to the UK right now are those that are absolutely sure they are significantly better than their opponent or getting paid through the roof. Until they inform opponents of failed drug tests anyone will be justified in refusing to travel. Contract or not. Does anyone really believe if a fighter fights their contract in court with the argument “they are willing to put me in with a fighter they know is on PEDs without telling me” that said fighter will lose their case? Eddie wouldn’t even take it to court it’s so easy to see the outcome. So what about the commissions, does anyone think they are eager to side with UKAD not informing them?

But let’s say the commissions do strip Ruiz, has it hurt Fury? Can’t Fury get a big fight any time he wants? Don’t they call him the champion without a belt? So wouldn’t they call Ruiz a champion without belts? Who really gets hurt most if Ruiz is stripped? Ruiz, who could still have a PPV with Wilder or Joshua twice going around picking up another mans belts? Maybe you can pick up another mans belts once without a stigma but twice, I don’t know man. I think that puts him in a very bad light.

[Fenster]

Most fights where there is a lot of money/power at stake there are elements of favouritism for the “house fighter” and it is not exclusive to British fighters.It has happened for years and can be the difference for a win or loss which is why they stack the odds in their favour no matter how trivial. Obviously a knockout makes all the posturing redundant but even then fighter like Buster Douglas nearly lost his titles when he beat Tyson.

Oh right, so it's not exclusive to British fighters, just the rich/powerful ones like AJ.... and now Ruiz, of course.

Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Floyd, Holyfield, etc - all had corrupt refs and judges throughout their careers. Cool.

[p4pking]

All of those guys had way cooler styles than AJ though, fact. Probably because they werent limeys, but there could be something else to it. Unlikely.

[Mark TKO]

That’s a bit pants if the fee is negotiated as part of rematch clause. Especially if you’re now champion.

I get he was a stand in but still shite for him.

So he could walk away and fight someone else then come back to Joshua later free of contract ??

[Master]

That’s a bit pants if the fee is negotiated as part of rematch clause. Especially if you’re now champion.

I get he was a stand in but still shite for him.

So he could walk away and fight someone else then come back to Joshua later free of contract ??

Yes, he could walk away and not decide to fight AJ, beconing another people's champion. AJ would not look great picking up the trinkets but he has done it before so may not mind fighting another Charles Martin again.

[Master]

Most fights where there is a lot of money/power at stake there are elements of favouritism for the “house fighter” and it is not exclusive to British fighters.It has happened for years and can be the difference for a win or loss which is why they stack the odds in their favour no matter how trivial. Obviously a knockout makes all the posturing redundant but even then fighter like Buster Douglas nearly lost his titles when he beat Tyson.

Oh right, so it's not exclusive to British fighters, just the rich/powerful ones like AJ.... and now Ruiz, of course.

Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Floyd, Holyfield, etc - all had corrupt refs and judges throughout their careers. Cool.

Not all.