The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

Scotland voted to stay as part of a Union and thus you have to respect that at the end of the day. I would have done the same with Brexit and if the people of Hong Kong were to be given a referendum right now on independence I would respect that too. There is no flip floppery on this. You respect the will of the people and a referendum is as democratic as you can get and when Johnson has offered a man who has requested an election 35 times in years a deciding election and it is turned down and Thornberry says 'We will negotiate but still do a referendum even though in 2017 our manifesto said we would respect the referendum'. Well, people are not impressed and all the remainers do is moan about the economy which is now blooming. Strange times.

[Master]

The Labour position is fair and sensible compared to Liberal Democrats who now may just ignore the referendum result and remain in EU without another referendum. There is nothing democratic about that position.

[Gandalf]

I think Labour is all over the place whence the polls and even Piers Morgan looking clever.

Then the Lib Dems had at their gathering the EU bloke who actually admitted on camera his intent was to make things worse for Britain. He is like one of those American Alimony women.

Then you have Farage saying May's deal was garbage and Johnson seemingly willing to just get it over with with a potential No Deal.

I think it is turning a lot of people Tory as they have had enough posturing and want action. No Deal should have been laid down from the off and the UK would have been on the mend by now. Very poor on the part of the remainer May.

[Beanz]

The Labour position is fair and sensible compared to Liberal Democrats who now may just ignore the referendum result and remain in EU without another referendum. There is nothing democratic about that position.

Gandalf doesn't care about reason or truth. Look how low he will go in order to like EL Kabong never admit to being so easily duped. It is just outright lies now. They don't read anything anyone else posts or watch anything either. They are in some kind of new alt right bubble that is quite clear.

You have a coup by an extreme group of disaster capitalist who have used The Mail, The Sun and the Telegraph constantly spreading lies and disinformation with Nigel Farrage, William Hague and Boris Johnson actually writing the articles and they then quote them back at people as though it is evidence? The has never been anyone more reliant on mainstream media or supporting neo liberal politics than the pair of them.

It is actually very sad in Gandalf's case to see a man who once was quite able and willing to challenge the mainstream narrative and the whole military industrial complex now come out in support of racist nationalists using people like Piers Morgan and Rees Mogg to try and justify scuppering a countries economy and infrastructure in the name of personal enrichment and tehn to paint Corbyn as an enemy for wanting to unite a very divided country and the sin of being a pragmatist.

Gandalf and El Kabong are the worst kind of idealogues they would smash up anything just like ISIS would, destroying heritage that belongs to the world in order to have the final say. It is a political scouring , a scorched earth policy of burning the undesirables, the immigrant, the refugee, those on welfare including pensioners and the working poor to make room for their weird out of touch fantasy of a country that few living here would recognise.

Nobody is saying that we should ape Germany or France. Germany has a terrible wealth inequality problem and you only have to look at the golden desks of those in power in France to see that they too do not represent the people they claim to. I don't go out and drink Coffee for fucks sake this is England we drink Tea just like Ireland. Fucking hell man they do not even try and hide the lets make the UK the USA's 51st state stuff anymore. I am worried about my Mrs not having her epilepsy medication, worried about my family having to jump through so many hoops to travel and work in Europe with their families. Worried about the lack of contingency planning that will mean the exchange programs between universities and arts organisations in Britain and the UK will wither and die, businesses will fold, and we will become isolationist and inward looking like El Gand Bong, our lives one long existential howl about how we don't want to eat foreign vegetables and how awful music with a bassline is.

Let us just leave like adults and not have spoilt cunts from Eaton pulling out without warning just like their Dads should have done years ago

[Gandalf]

You don't half go on a bit, don't you? Do you not understand the concept of a nation state and how that has operated so well and for so many people around the world? Forcing groups together by force does not end very well and so if people have decided to avoid a suprastate, then what is the ideological problem? Piers Morgan is a remainer, but at least he had the decency to call out nonsense where he saw it.

See you are admitting that your motivations are selfish ones Beanz. It is all about your wife and half siblings. Do you honestly think the UK,the 5th largest economy will not be able to procure medicine? You really think living in Europe will be an issue despite far more Europeans living in the UK? And even then, how do you think us lot get on? I have friends here ynmarried for a decade and just fine. I think ye buys into project fear a little too much.

If the EU gives the UK a hard time, then maybe that tells you about the EU. You don't stay in an abusive relationship where you are dictated to just because it pays. You leave as a matter of principle.

And you do live in the UK right and know that Brits procured coffee through its empire a very long time ago. Brits drink coffee and indeed tea. And there is nothing wrong with the bass.

[Beanz]

You don't half go on a bit, don't you? Do you not understand the concept of a nation state and how that has operated so well and for so many people around the world? Forcing groups together by force does not end very well and so if people have decided to avoid a suprastate, then what is the ideological problem? Piers Morgan is a remainer, but at least he had the decency to call out nonsense where he saw it.

See you are admitting that your motivations are selfish ones Beanz. It is all about your wife and half siblings. Do you honestly think the UK,the 5th largest economy will not be able to procure medicine? You really think living in Europe will be an issue despite far more Europeans living in the UK? And even then, how do you think us lot get on? I have friends here ynmarried for a decade and just fine. I think ye buys into project fear a little too much.

If the EU gives the UK a hard time, then maybe that tells you about the EU. You don't stay in an abusive relationship where you are dictated to just because it pays. You leave as a matter of principle.

And you do live in the UK right and know that Brits procured coffee through its empire a very long time ago. Brits drink coffee and indeed tea. And there is nothing wrong with the bass.

You are so full of shit it is bubbling over. A no deal Brexit is in nobodies interest but the disaster capitalists that you are so heavily invested in. There are far more important things to be getting on with and yet here you are pretending that worrying about a reliable supply of a medicine that literally keeps people alive is an example of me being selfish. Like El Kabong it is all a joke to you because I have rarely met an ex-pat who gives less of a shit about Britain than you, unless it is to virtue signal your own supposed Englishness.

Why don't you just be honest and move to America the superstate of your dreams?

[El Kabong]

The Labour position is fair and sensible compared to Liberal Democrats who now may just ignore the referendum result and remain in EU without another referendum. There is nothing democratic about that position.

Gandalf doesn't care about reason or truth. Look how low he will go in order to like EL Kabong never admit to being so easily duped. It is just outright lies now. They don't read anything anyone else posts or watch anything either. They are in some kind of new alt right bubble that is quite clear.

You have a coup by an extreme group of disaster capitalist who have used The Mail, The Sun and the Telegraph constantly spreading lies and disinformation with Nigel Farrage, William Hague and Boris Johnson actually writing the articles and they then quote them back at people as though it is evidence? The has never been anyone more reliant on mainstream media or supporting neo liberal politics than the pair of them.

It is actually very sad in Gandalf's case to see a man who once was quite able and willing to challenge the mainstream narrative and the whole military industrial complex now come out in support of racist nationalists using people like Piers Morgan and Rees Mogg to try and justify scuppering a countries economy and infrastructure in the name of personal enrichment and tehn to paint Corbyn as an enemy for wanting to unite a very divided country and the sin of being a pragmatist.

Gandalf and El Kabong are the worst kind of idealogues they would smash up anything just like ISIS would, destroying heritage that belongs to the world in order to have the final say. It is a political scouring , a scorched earth policy of burning the undesirables, the immigrant, the refugee, those on welfare including pensioners and the working poor to make room for their weird out of touch fantasy of a country that few living here would recognise.

Oh the Liberal Democrats are being downright treasonous....bringing in Guy Verhofstadt? Yikes.

Duped? By what....there was a referendum and the people voted Brexit. So Brexit had best be delivered. Where do you take issue with these simple, plain as day, FACTS?

"You have a coup"....The Brexit referendum was voted on and not only by the English Beanz. That vote needs to be respected or else the democratic action of the people voting means nothing and then what are you left with?

Oh you're worried about the economy of a nation rather than their sovereignty or rule of law. I guess that would mean Zimbabwe really fucked up by leaving the British Empire, I guess they should become Southern Rhodesia again as it would suit them better economically....and I mean right to self determination as their own independent nation state be damned, it's all about the economy right....right?

Oh so now I get compared to ISIS, wonderful I'll add it to the list.

Nobody is saying that we should ape Germany or France. Germany has a terrible wealth inequality problem and you only have to look at the golden desks of those in power in France to see that they too do not represent the people they claim to. I don't go out and drink Coffee for fucks sake this is England we drink Tea just like Ireland. Fucking hell man they do not even try and hide the lets make the UK the USA's 51st state stuff anymore. I am worried about my Mrs not having her epilepsy medication, worried about my family having to jump through so many hoops to travel and work in Europe with their families. Worried about the lack of contingency planning that will mean the exchange programs between universities and arts organisations in Britain and the UK will wither and die, businesses will fold, and we will become isolationist and inward looking like El Gand Bong, our lives one long existential howl about how we don't want to eat foreign vegetables and how awful music with a bassline is.

Let us just leave like adults and not have spoilt cunts from Eaton pulling out without warning just like their Dads should have done years ago

Well in the EU you'll be more like them rather than less like them, just the way things happen once an EMPIRE (and Guy Verhofstadt calls for the EU to be an EMPIRE....you know like the other European leaders who wanted a European Empire ) annexes a geopolitical area. They're already telling you about your secession and how it won't be accepted all easy peasy, they're dictating terms to you and that's the part which irks many a Brit and non-Brit alike, but with you it seems you agree with the Europeans on this. That isn't surprising to me in the least. Government cannot do enough for you and whatever they do, whatever rights they need to take away you'll be more than happy to oblige, not only for yourself but for everyone else as well. It's all a matter of convenience for you, rights be damned and you're just the kind of person the EU is counting on.

Who is saying make the UK America's 51st state? Certainly not I. I'm just of the belief that the voting public in Britain should have their voices heard. Yes I wanted Brexit because I don't want Britain watered down with a bunch of European bullshit, France and Germany have been your rivals for centuries, you think all of a sudden that will change or they will view you differently? Right now just due to Brexit alone they're already viewing you as an economic threat!

Merkel warns of danger to EU of Singapore-style UK on its border
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...thames-no-deal


But hey, I don't have a vote over there I can only empathize with people who have made a decision and the powers that be not accepting the will of the people....but you side with the powers that be and not your own countrymen.

[Beanz]

This is kind of language El Kabong and Gandalf are using. No different. Do not be duped by these two non Brits demanding that they get to decide who Britains enemies and friends are. Amazing that El Kabong the cunt, cannot even see the fucking stupidity of him in America with his feet up on the desk in the call centre ripping his boss off by posting here when he should be working, dictating who are our rivals, as though he owns us.


and then pretends he is on the side of the people?

[El Kabong]

Yeah I can't read that small shit

This is kind of language El Kabong and Gandalf are using. No different. Do not be duped by these two non Brits demanding that they get to decide who Britains enemies and friends are. Amazing that El Kabong the cunt, cannot even see the fucking stupidity of him in America with his feet up on the desk in the call centre ripping his boss off by posting here when he should be working, dictating who are our rivals, as though he owns us.


and then pretends he is on the side of the people?

Yeah by all means police my language . Who are you even talking to by the way? You're either extremely insecure of the political beliefs of your countrymen or you've had a malfunction in your robot brain. Neither Gandalf or myself have much of an impact at all in regards to British politics, however as individuals we do hold the right to speak our minds whether you agree or disagree with what we have to say is quite beyond the point.


Yes I work at the ISIS Call Center and handle the Nazi division here, we're the ISIS Telefonabteilung if anyone was wondering and it's nothing but trustafarians who work here. Really dude?


Pretends? I AM on the side of the people, I'm on the side of those who voted for Brexit, the side of the referendum which WON. Why are you seeking to subvert a democratically voted on referendum? What benefit would you get out of it? Why do you hate Brexit?

[Beanz]

You don't speak your mind though you just repeat what the MSM and disaster capitalists tell you both to. I could respect it if it was either of your opinions but it clearly is not in any way shape or form. You keep insisting that i am trying to subvert a referendum, to frustrate Brexit and you are now even insisting that you are on the side of the people who voted Brexit?

What a load of bullshit. The Tories called the referendum, they are still in power, they fucked up by not preparing and by being as ignorant and identity politics driven as you. They are why Brexit has not happend. Boris swapped sides in order to gain power not to serve.

I live in a city twinned with Brest in France. My future father in law is there now living for a few months like he does every year. Ferries full of cars sail from here to there EVERY DAY. Our streets and roads and areas in the city are called Place de Brest, Bretonside etc because we have for centruries shared fishing grounds, culture , language, food, music , folk traditions with Brittanny . Fucking hell man keep up. And yet here you are telling me that no the French are my rivals and that the school friends I went to school with who live there are now my enemies, because you have decided that for me because ...Brexit..rabble,rabble,rabble. You are a class A plum.

And now you have declared Germany to also be our rivals. Does that include my flesh and blood or just in the football? I don't suppose you have even ever been to the UK or know a thing about the people who live here but you will not learn much from listening to idiot ex pats like PJW and fucking Milo fffs.

One of my brothers was born in Yorkshire. God's own fucking country so he tells me,..all the fucking time. Gandalf was born there too I think...never mentions it. And yet he is supposed to be Mr UK? He is not even Mr Gay UK. On the side of the people ? like you he is on the side of those people who agree with him . Apparently more than half the UK can fuck off if they do not agree with you two and your idea that smashing up the UK economy to win a bet is worth it to line the pockets of a corrupt government.

You are both enemies of the people. You are on the side of Privilege


Privilege - literally 'Private Law'. That is why Boris thinks nothing of breaking the law and why neither of you give a fuck about Parliament really it is one law for you and the cunts who have you like puppets on a string and one for everyone else. It is not his law or law for the likes of him and his feudal bastard family. It is why his Dad can say 'Let the Irish kill each other' It is why Zimmerman shooting an unarmed teenager is acceptable for you. It is why neither of you even flinched when Brock suggested gunning down civilians. You both think you are special cases. You are not on the side of the people. You are not on the side of anyone but rich bankers and corrupt swamp filling neo liberal globalists and always have been.