The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

My creative life is far from here at Saddo's. Posting on a forum is not creativity either. Not an argument.

If you want compromise then ask the loving EU for compromise. You won't get any until they know you are not playing. Again, look at Greece. There was little compromise. They do not compromise, they look down on you. They admit the intent is to squeeze.

You had the chance of an election and rejected it. That was compromise too. Labour was not interested despite pleading 35 times in 2 years for an election.

My views are what they are and are actually shaped by my own global experiences more than anything else. I observe how other nation states function and they do not operate like the UK has this past 40 years.

I argue for a free Britain so that the alternative movement can grow and hold Parliament to account. Currently Parliament is the problem as all too many are denying their constituents. That is why Labour fears an election. They know it is a changing of the guard.

[Beanz]

My creative life is far from here at Saddo's. Posting on a forum is not creativity either. Not an argument.

If you want compromise then ask the loving EU for compromise. You won't get any until they know you are not playing. Again, look at Greece. There was little compromise. They do not compromise, they look down on you. They admit the intent is to squeeze.

You had the chance of an election and rejected it. That was compromise too. Labour was not interested despite pleading 35 times in 2 years for an election.

My views are what they are and are actually shaped by my own global experiences more than anything else. I observe how other nation states function and they do not operate like the UK has this past 40 years.

I argue for a free Britain so that the alternative movement can grow and hold Parliament to account. Currently Parliament is the problem as all too many are denying their constituents. That is why Labour fears an election. They know it is a changing of the guard.

Your abandonment of Labour under Corbyn is VERY VERY telling. First chance in decades for actual real change and you want to maintain neoliberalism at any cost. More of the same. ALL we hear from you is BLAME THE POOR, MORE AUSTERITY, MAKE WELFARE HARSHER, BLAME THE IMMIGRANTS, BLAME SINGLE MOTHERS, BLAME BLACK PEOPLE, BLAME CORBYN, BLAME ANYONE BUT BANKS, BORIS, MURDOCH, BARCLAYS, FARRAGE, THE ELITE, THE ESTABLISHMENT, ETON, TORIES, UKIP, TOMMY, REBEL MEDIA, TRUMP, AMERICA.

Off to the tower for you too and then the Hague methinks.


Seriously are you not bored with this? I know what you think, you know what I think. Where is everyone?

[Master]

You had the chance of an election and rejected it. That was compromise too. Labour was not interested despite pleading 35 times in 2 years for an election.

That is blatantly untrue. You know Boris only called for an election after he had lost his control of parliament, and to force a no deal Brexit through. It was not to accept the demand of Labour for an election. You are being liberal with the truth.

[El Kabong]

You had the chance of an election and rejected it. That was compromise too. Labour was not interested despite pleading 35 times in 2 years for an election.

That is blatantly untrue. You know Boris only called for an election after he had lost his control of parliament, and to force a no deal Brexit through. It was not to accept the demand of Labour for an election. You are being liberal with the truth.

OK then why was a General Election not held?




Was it SPITE? I'm going to say it was probably spite.

[Master]

The reason why there was no general election was because it was a ruse by Boris.

Boris had just lost a vote that he could not have a No Deal Brexit this handed power back to parliament, he kicked out 21 of his own MP’s in anger and thereby lost even more power. Corbyn led an alliance in opposition and the only reason Boris offered an election was to force a no deal Brexit which would have naturally happened as it would have gone over 31st October. Boris lost that vote too. Now Boris is frantically trying to make a deal but he has no chance and so is running down the clock hoping to annoy the EU to not grant the extension that he does not want to do.

[Beanz]

El Kabong you just swallow everything you are told if it is from the MSM you think are honest it seems, without ever engaging your own judgement. You are very ill informed and confused. Yesterday you were calling Brown a former Labour PM Tory and claiming that Boris sacking any Tory that disagreed with him was actually those Tories selling him out, including his own brother? You are all over the shop.

You don't want a second referendum because you have said for YEARS that you do not respect democracy. You pretend to when it suits you but in reality it means nothing to you. You want the UK to ape you. That is why you already treat us like we have a president which we clearly do not and never should have. That is a ludicrous way to run a country. One Bloke or Woman? Insane and exactly why you are so in the shite right now.

A second referendum with a clear choice between May's negotiated deal (which is only a starting point anyway) and remain is totally democratic. Far, far...far...far more democratic than the original referendum which specifically promised nothing specifically except there being no chance of a no deal chaos. That is why Labour do not want Boris to fuck up the country, just to keep hold of the reigns of power. He was not elected by the British people and so has no right to implement No Deal and shut down Parliament.

The last thing we want is to end up being a colony of fucking Trump's America. We don't want a country as divided and full of hate like your has turned into.

If a second referendum was called I don't think remain would win but it would at least prevent a chaotic departure and keep ties cordial and trade , education , travel etc open between here and Europe our biggest trading and cultural partners. We should never be so stupid as to let a bunch of spoilt toffs and corporate tax avoiders isolate us and make us easy pickings for America. It would be like getting on our knees and begging an Apartheid ers South Africa for a deal. Your Prez and his current Whitehouse are not good people.

[El Kabong]

The reason why there was no general election was because it was a ruse by Boris.

Boris had just lost a vote that he could not have a No Deal Brexit this handed power back to parliament, he kicked out 21 of his own MP’s in anger and thereby lost even more power. Corbyn led an alliance in opposition and the only reason Boris offered an election was to force a no deal Brexit which would have naturally happened as it would have gone over 31st October. Boris lost that vote too. Now Boris is frantically trying to make a deal but he has no chance and so is running down the clock hoping to annoy the EU to not grant the extension that he does not want to do.

This is like ordering pizza in a large group

"I want pepperoni!" ...."I want sausage!"...."I'm vegetarian so I just want veggies!" ....."I'm vegan, I don't want pizza at all I just want something which doesn't have any animal products that is sustainable and then we all need to huddle together to listen to my slam poetry!"


Boris' job is to secure Brexit, that's all. What kind of Brexit deals do these leaders propose? Are they being realistic or spiteful? Are there not Remainers still in Parliament?

[Beanz]

The reason why there was no general election was because it was a ruse by Boris.

Boris had just lost a vote that he could not have a No Deal Brexit this handed power back to parliament, he kicked out 21 of his own MP’s in anger and thereby lost even more power. Corbyn led an alliance in opposition and the only reason Boris offered an election was to force a no deal Brexit which would have naturally happened as it would have gone over 31st October. Boris lost that vote too. Now Boris is frantically trying to make a deal but he has no chance and so is running down the clock hoping to annoy the EU to not grant the extension that he does not want to do.

This is like ordering pizza in a large group

"I want pepperoni!" ...."I want sausage!"...."I'm vegetarian so I just want veggies!" ....."I'm vegan, I don't want pizza at all I just want something which doesn't have any animal products that is sustainable and then we all need to huddle together to listen to my slam poetry!"


Boris' job is to secure Brexit, that's all. What kind of Brexit deals do these leaders propose? Are they being realistic or spiteful? Are there not Remainers still in Parliament?

Boris job is to represent and serve the country. That means people who voted either way in the referendum not just leavers. Fucking hell it is like pulling teeth. You and Gandalf neither of whom live here, or voted in the referendum, are obsessed by Brexit. More than the people who live here. Everything is the fault of EU to you because you don't want to face the FACT that the leave campaign was run on a bunch of lies financed by people not with Britain's best interests at heart.

It is poisonous.

Truly vile and poisonous

There are people here in the UK today boasting proudly that they will not donate to the RNLI anymore. The RNLI was set up to prevent people drowning at sea. Here with coastline on either side it is a pretty big thing and quite poignant after the Penlee disaster. And yet because 2% of the charities funding went overseas to prevent drowning there (something the founder always made clear was part of their mission) Brits are now saying they will not donate because brown babies in Bangladesh may be saved by their pennies. (Despite 98% being spent in Britain. The Mrs old man was a volunteer crewman for years.) That is beyond fucked up. At sea everyone's duty is to help anyone in distress and yet now racist bigots are wearing their opinions like a badge of honour.

Look at Gandalf coming out of the woodwork and attacking my old man for marrying a German, calling Phillipino health workers out and having another go at India. And you suggesting that here in this city scarred by German bombing i should take it personally in 2019. It is mental how neither of you can see how you both delight in dividing people into groups and setting them against each other. Is it because you are both so old fashioned and fucking grumpy or are you really that bored that you have to try and get people to justify your own bigotry?

That is why people think 'Bollocks to Brexit'. Not because they don't care about people but because they see the kind of attitude that is now deemed acceptable in which even kids are no longer people because they are 'Foreigners'. It is like the worst parts of the 70'sall over again.

[El Kabong]

El Kabong you just swallow everything you are told if it is from the MSM you think are honest it seems, without ever engaging your own judgement. You are very ill informed and confused. Yesterday you were calling Brown a former Labour PM Tory and claiming that Boris sacking any Tory that disagreed with him was actually those Tories selling him out, including his own brother? You are all over the shop.

You don't want a second referendum because you have said for YEARS that you do not respect democracy. You pretend to when it suits you but in reality it means nothing to you. You want the UK to ape you. That is why you already treat us like we have a president which we clearly do not and never should have. That is a ludicrous way to run a country. One Bloke or Woman? Insane and exactly why you are so in the shite right now.

A second referendum with a clear choice between May's negotiated deal (which is only a starting point anyway) and remain is totally democratic. Far, far...far...far more democratic than the original referendum which specifically promised nothing specifically except there being no chance of a no deal chaos. That is why Labour do not want Boris to fuck up the country, just to keep hold of the reigns of power. He was not elected by the British people and so has no right to implement No Deal and shut down Parliament.

The last thing we want is to end up being a colony of fucking Trump's America. We don't want a country as divided and full of hate like your has turned into.

If a second referendum was called I don't think remain would win but it would at least prevent a chaotic departure and keep ties cordial and trade , education , travel etc open between here and Europe our biggest trading and cultural partners. We should never be so stupid as to let a bunch of spoilt toffs and corporate tax avoiders isolate us and make us easy pickings for America. It would be like getting on our knees and begging an Apartheid ers South Africa for a deal. Your Prez and his current Whitehouse are not good people.

Oh did I mistake Gordo for Cameron? Oh well, big deal.

Yes Jo Johnson, REMAINER sold out not just his own brother but the nation because he'd rather attempt to remain rather than achieve a deal and no doubt he's not in favor of No Deal as well. So what actually is he contributing? "Show me a deal...nope not that one....try again....mmm nope not that one either, nope....Boris let's just stay in eh buddy?"

Democracy as a form of government is a tyranny of the majority. Democracy as in, voting on a referendum SHOULD mean something, if you have a "Do Over" which is what you and other Remainers are calling for then you're subverting the will of the people, but hey it ain't my country go right on ahead with that shit, but let me get my popcorn because I want to see the aftermath of THAT!

You've got a very twisted view of America, and I understand why that is. The UK misses us, but we're not the good child like Canada or Australia we remind the UK of their prime which both scares and annoys them.

You and other Remainers are acting like spoiled brats. You don't want the country fucked up then get Brexit achieved...if you WANT to fuck the country up have another referendum.

Allow me to position your quotes right quick just to hold a mirror up to your face....

'like we have a president which we clearly do not and never should have' & 'He was not elected by the British people and so has no right to implement No Deal and shut down Parliament'

....maybe it's going to be like one of those 3D posters, you might have to look at that a while before you get it

Oh and yeah you TOTALLY have more in common with Europe than the United States not like we share ancestry or language or culture at all...I do love that you see it that way, because you would, you're European, you've admitted as much "My family Germany, my family France"....what is British about you exactly? You speak like a pirate? You enjoy gin? You like punk rock?

I expect Swedes to be self loathing, but it hurts my heart when it's Brits....fucking pathetic.

Boris job is to represent and serve the country. That means people who voted either way in the referendum not just leavers. Fucking hell it is like pulling teeth. You and Gandalf neither of whom live here, or voted in the referendum, are obsessed by Brexit. More than the people who live here. Everything is the fault of EU to you because you don't want to face the FACT that the leave campaign was run on a bunch of lies financed by people not with Britain's best interests at heart.

It is poisonous.

Truly vile and poisonous

There are people here in the UK today boasting proudly that they will not donate to the RNLI anymore. The RNLI was set up to prevent people drowning at sea. Here with coastline on either side it is a pretty big thing and quite poignant after the Penlee disaster. And yet because 2% of the charities funding went overseas to prevent drowning there (something the founder always made clear was part of their mission) Brits are now saying they will not donate because brown babies in Bangladesh may be saved by their pennies. (Despite 98% being spent in Britain. The Mrs old man was a volunteer crewman for years.) That is beyond fucked up. At sea everyone's duty is to help anyone in distress and yet now racist bigots are wearing their opinions like a badge of honour.

Look at Gandalf coming out of the woodwork and attacking my old man for marrying a German, calling Phillipino health workers out and having another go at India. And you suggesting that here in this city scarred by German bombing i should take it personally in 2019. It is mental how neither of you can see how you both delight in dividing people into groups and setting them against each other. Is it because you are both so old fashioned and fucking grumpy or are you really that bored that you have to try and get people to justify your own bigotry?

That is why people think 'Bollocks to Brexit'. Not because they don't care about people but because they see the kind of attitude that is now deemed acceptable in which even kids are no longer people because they are 'Foreigners'. It is like the worst parts of the 70'sall over again.

The country voted for Brexit, it's an either or vote...representing the will of the people means that Remainers are certainly allowed to hold their beliefs and not be punished for them, but sorry not sorry Brexit must be achieved for your government to mean ANYTHING worth a damn. But I guess you're going to test your limits with that one

Yeah I'm not a bigot, you keep calling me a bigot all you like it doesn't make it so. Hate to break that to you. If I were a bigot, life would be exhausting....unless of course I lived in Plymouth and then what with a population that's 93% White British I wouldn't have a care in the world....IF I were a bigot, which I'm not, but of course you'll disagree and you're absolutely welcome to do so. Not like being called a bigot is any better or worse than everything else you sling at me.

[Master]

The reason why there was no general election was because it was a ruse by Boris.

Boris had just lost a vote that he could not have a No Deal Brexit this handed power back to parliament, he kicked out 21 of his own MP’s in anger and thereby lost even more power. Corbyn led an alliance in opposition and the only reason Boris offered an election was to force a no deal Brexit which would have naturally happened as it would have gone over 31st October. Boris lost that vote too. Now Boris is frantically trying to make a deal but he has no chance and so is running down the clock hoping to annoy the EU to not grant the extension that he does not want to do.

This is like ordering pizza in a large group

"I want pepperoni!" ...."I want sausage!"...."I'm vegetarian so I just want veggies!" ....."I'm vegan, I don't want pizza at all I just want something which doesn't have any animal products that is sustainable and then we all need to huddle together to listen to my slam poetry!"


Boris' job is to secure Brexit, that's all. What kind of Brexit deals do these leaders propose? Are they being realistic or spiteful? Are there not Remainers still in Parliament?

Yes Boris should secure a Brexit deal. Labour have proposed a 6 point deal from the start and May only started looking at that when her deal failed. The Labour deal is realistic and could work as they have collaborated with EU. Yes there are remainers in all parties but at least Labour still wants to honour the vote. Liberals do not. This is a Tory mess from the start and they have done nothing to fix it. A no deal Brexit is not a fix, it is a start to a poor deal.

[El Kabong]

The reason why there was no general election was because it was a ruse by Boris.

Boris had just lost a vote that he could not have a No Deal Brexit this handed power back to parliament, he kicked out 21 of his own MP’s in anger and thereby lost even more power. Corbyn led an alliance in opposition and the only reason Boris offered an election was to force a no deal Brexit which would have naturally happened as it would have gone over 31st October. Boris lost that vote too. Now Boris is frantically trying to make a deal but he has no chance and so is running down the clock hoping to annoy the EU to not grant the extension that he does not want to do.

This is like ordering pizza in a large group

"I want pepperoni!" ...."I want sausage!"...."I'm vegetarian so I just want veggies!" ....."I'm vegan, I don't want pizza at all I just want something which doesn't have any animal products that is sustainable and then we all need to huddle together to listen to my slam poetry!"


Boris' job is to secure Brexit, that's all. What kind of Brexit deals do these leaders propose? Are they being realistic or spiteful? Are there not Remainers still in Parliament?

Yes Boris should secure a Brexit deal. Labour have proposed a 6 point deal from the start and May only started looking at that when her deal failed. The Labour deal is realistic and could work as they have collaborated with EU. Yes there are remainers in all parties but at least Labour still wants to honour the vote. Liberals do not. This is a Tory mess from the start and they have done nothing to fix it. A no deal Brexit is not a fix, it is a start to a poor deal.

OK then will this 6 point deal be found acceptable by the EU? If not, then what?

Do you think that some Remainers might be asking for too much or too little in the hopes it keeps a deal from happening and that Britain just reverses course? Seems to be what the LibDems are actively hoping for.



What do you think of the LibDems cozying up to Guy Verhofstadt? Seems as though they're thinking about what is best for the EU as opposed to what is best for the UK.