The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

Furthermore, how am I supposed to answer a question like 'Have you defended May, Boris and Mogg?' That is such a broad question relating to 3 very different people and the only thing I have defended two of them on is a single principle and I have never endorsed the other. So, you see where I am going with this? You are inventing positions which I am then expected to defend. By contrast you actually voted against Brexit. That says it all. There is no discussion with you. My argument is a moral argument based around the sovereignty of the nation state. Your mind is set and you won't rest until you get what you want. So, you don't get to dictate terms with me, nor Brexit, nor anyone. You have lost.

[walrus]

Furthermore, how am I supposed to answer a question like 'Have you defended May, Boris and Mogg?' That is such a broad question relating to 3 very different people and the only thing I have defended two of them on is a single principle and I have never endorsed the other. So, you see where I am going with this? You are inventing positions which I am then expected to defend. By contrast you actually voted against Brexit. That says it all. There is no discussion with you. My argument is a moral argument based around the sovereignty of the nation state. Your mind is set and you won't rest until you get what you want. So, you don't get to dictate terms with me, nor Brexit, nor anyone. You have lost.

Did elkabong quit in disgust again? Who is running our few loyal members away? I don’t think I ever ran anyone away except for Brock and Big D

[Gandalf]

Furthermore, how am I supposed to answer a question like 'Have you defended May, Boris and Mogg?' That is such a broad question relating to 3 very different people and the only thing I have defended two of them on is a single principle and I have never endorsed the other. So, you see where I am going with this? You are inventing positions which I am then expected to defend. By contrast you actually voted against Brexit. That says it all. There is no discussion with you. My argument is a moral argument based around the sovereignty of the nation state. Your mind is set and you won't rest until you get what you want. So, you don't get to dictate terms with me, nor Brexit, nor anyone. You have lost.

Did elkabong quit in disgust again? Who is running our few loyal members away? I don’t think I ever ran anyone away except for Brock and Big D

I don't want to speak for Lyle, but go back and read who was trying to be more understanding and reasonable in those interactions between him and Beanz. There is always a blind eye turned to it. Then people say 'Oh, but oh, where is the new blood and where did everyone go?' That's why I just sling it back at him. I know you cannot be reasonable with him.

All evil extremists and Nazi's obviously.

[walrus]

Furthermore, how am I supposed to answer a question like 'Have you defended May, Boris and Mogg?' That is such a broad question relating to 3 very different people and the only thing I have defended two of them on is a single principle and I have never endorsed the other. So, you see where I am going with this? You are inventing positions which I am then expected to defend. By contrast you actually voted against Brexit. That says it all. There is no discussion with you. My argument is a moral argument based around the sovereignty of the nation state. Your mind is set and you won't rest until you get what you want. So, you don't get to dictate terms with me, nor Brexit, nor anyone. You have lost.

Did elkabong quit in disgust again? Who is running our few loyal members away? I don’t think I ever ran anyone away except for Brock and Big D

I don't want to speak for Lyle, but go back and read who was trying to be more understanding and reasonable in those interactions between him and Beanz. There is always a blind eye turned to it. Then people say 'Oh, but oh, where is the new blood and where did everyone go?' That's why I just sling it back at him. I know you cannot be reasonable with him.

All evil extremists and Nazi's obviously.

Ya I was following the argument. I’m trying to go easy on the politics just reading a couple books about different forms of government through history. There does seem to be a hair trigger here lately a little worse than in the past. The issue at this point isn’t getting new blood in its about retaining the dudes who have been here forever. This is my primary source of boxing news and I love the off topic shit we get into but endless argument does get boring. Some argument is needed and can be quite fun but when even posing a question sets off a flame it is a little too much but that’s just my take. If I split I will miss tits and especially miles. Then again miles has left me like 75 times so that shouldn’t be a big deal.

[Gandalf]

It is a bit harsh. No doubt about that. Personally I only swing back when old L gets cranky. Just because I do not live in the UK does not mean I do not care about or consider what goes on. I have nephews and nieces that have to grow up there and friends who have returned. I want them to be raised in an independent country that teaches them self discipline and that with a few sensible choices they can do alright. I am hardly some maniac wanting to kill off everyone via medicine shortages. In fact it is some remainers who have argued that OAP's need to die off to deal with the 'Brexit problem'. Now that is sick. I obviously don't want anyone to die, but if people are going to be hysterical then I will call them hysterical.

Any change involves compromise and a period to adapt and it seems the people are ready for it. So just get on with it. Now if that means a bunch of twats want to erase the NHS then the people should rightfully revolt and stop that and history tells us they can do that. They can indeed bring any government down if they want. They cannot bring Brussels down though and thus being out of their clutches is for the best. I certainly don't advocate an American style health care system as it is crap and only works if you have money. At the same time though, I think the UK healthcare system could be improved a lot.

My argument about Filipino's was not racist, but actually a point about national differences. A UK nurse could technically go to the Philippines but be poor, relatively speaking. They cannot own land there. And it would be strictly controlled. Likely have to return unless they marrry a local. Yet the Filipino can go into a country on a tourist visa and very easily gain access to a country and stay permanently and bring extended family and then buy up land. I oppose that as it is simply unfair. It is why I railed against Romanians being able to take advantage of the UK.

My views are shaped by seeing countries with real limitations when it comes to borders. It isn't racist but based on factual observation. Beanz knows bugger all about visa systems and other countries. If you go to China, what are your rights, Walrus? Even married to a Chinese you don't get anything. Yet we are racist despite most of the world being pretty strong on this stuff.

That's what makes me laugh. Down there in the Plymouth bubble. He hasn't got a clue. I have a friend here who is married but will have to renew a visa every 2 years and always that risk of going home. I would like that to certainly apply to foreigners in the West, certainly those not married or integrated, and have limits and controls.

I am shaped by the stronger systems I observe rather than any racism. It applies to everyone regardless of color.

[Fenster]

@Gandalf - serious question, why do you spell like an American? I assume that's how you have to teach? If so, why have they adopted American over English?

[Gandalf]

@Gandalf - serious question, why do you spell like an American? I assume that's how you have to teach? If so, why have they adopted American over English?

I will answer this question. The reason I spell like an American is because if I spell the word favourite like this, then at this moment in time it has a squiggly red line underneath it which is so aesthetically displeasing that I just feel an automatic need to eradicate it. The system here on Saddo's is itself Americanized. Even Beanz does it a fair bit.

Nope, I have complete autonomy in how I teach and so whilst public school materials will often be American in style, I generally mix it up and will add a Mum and a flat and lift or what have you and point out spelling differentials. If anything I find a lot of young people prefer British English. They like the sound having experienced years of nasal audio and exaggerated intonation in the American style. A lot of materials these days incorporate a wider range of intonations though. Many youngsters are into films or music and like the romantic notion of what constitutes being English which in reality has of course become something of a myth. Thus trips to Europe or London end up being 'Huh?' Oh well.

Then again some will prefer the American style as their intent is to work for a US firm here or study in north America. My wife says working for US firms is generally a bit naff though. They don't treat people very well. On the whole though you get plenty of Aussies and Canadians and Brits and Irish all doing their own English thing. We all sound different though and if they wanted America they would only hire Americans. Due to population mass there are more of them but overall a fair balance. 5 English people at my old place actually which is half the team.