Let's talk boxing promoters.... the scourge of boxing today

[Gandalf]

Yep, all you non-mug "fans" always know what's best for boxing and how to "fix" it. You're all experts (especially with hindsight), know exactly what matches people should watch and what is pointless.

In the past few weeks, off the top of my head we've had

Spence-Porter (FOTY candidate)
Fury-Otto (almost upset of the year)
Loma-Campbell (P4P no.1 / two elite lightweights)
Kovalev-Yarde (almost another upset)
Browne-Pascal (big veteran upset)
Ramirez-Hooker (140 Unification / FOTY-ish)

Did you enjoy any? Watch any? Know who they are? "Back in the 70s, regular defences, best against best" ..... do me a favour, fake arse fans (no disrespect)

Of course I watched several (on You Tube) as I cannot get to see fight and know who most are except the likes of Otto. Nobody is saying fun fights do not get made, but more that people like Fury do have somewhat weak resumes due to padding, and though upsets can happen, the padding happens to keep the money flowing and to protect the money man. That is why we have to respect fighters who do fight excellent opponents regularly and it should be encouraged more. Wilder was the same for years and people were getting fed up. You think Ali would have dodged anyone like they do today? There is some padding, but he fought everyone. Manny Pac too for a period. You cannot argue with that many top fighters on a resume. That is greatness and I do not care about it being a business or doing the least for the most. Give it your all and that's enough. Too much is given to the 0 and for me that is a no.

So your real problem is with fighters. At the end of the day they sign the dotted line.

I'm not criticising anyone but it sums up the entire thread. Boxing fans are like spoilt children, never satisfied, always demanding the next one. Even when the business has been explained the reaction is - I don't care about the business side, I know best how to run boxing, it should be like this. There's 30 registered boxing promotions happening today, hardly any will have TV coverage/sponsorship/media coverage. There's a world outside of Bob, Al, Eddie, Oscar and the superstars they invest in.

Every single era of boxing is littered with fights that should, would, could have been made. Every single era filled with great champions slated for facing "bums." From boxing's inception, it's demise has been predicted.

Perhaps some fighters do want to avoid challenges as well as promoters. I certainly look at Mayweather that way in his final decade. I also think others are carefully managed and the promoters lay down the money, sort out the contracts, and are of course at times looking out for fighters, but we do clearly miss out on a lot of fights because promoters won't let fights happen and do want to prolong that investment. It inevitably means easy fights or avoiding fights.

I don't think fans are spoiled in the slightest. What other sport can have fans forking out like boxing has them do? It is hardly a cheap hobby to follow. In saying that I do wish they would give me the option as some fights I would love to see properly. Kovalev-Canelo will no doubt be a lot of fun and I enjoy the fact that they are actually doing that. Should be more like that.

The elite fighters are spoiled more than the fans. Mayweather was taking the mickey more often than not towards the end. The fans were not spoilt.

[TitoFan]

Yep, all you non-mug "fans" always know what's best for boxing and how to "fix" it. You're all experts (especially with hindsight), know exactly what matches people should watch and what is pointless.

In the past few weeks, off the top of my head we've had

Spence-Porter (FOTY candidate)
Fury-Otto (almost upset of the year)
Loma-Campbell (P4P no.1 / two elite lightweights)
Kovalev-Yarde (almost another upset)
Browne-Pascal (big veteran upset)
Ramirez-Hooker (140 Unification / FOTY-ish)

Did you enjoy any? Watch any? Know who they are? "Back in the 70s, regular defences, best against best" ..... do me a favour, fake arse fans (no disrespect)

Of course I watched several (on You Tube) as I cannot get to see fight and know who most are except the likes of Otto. Nobody is saying fun fights do not get made, but more that people like Fury do have somewhat weak resumes due to padding, and though upsets can happen, the padding happens to keep the money flowing and to protect the money man. That is why we have to respect fighters who do fight excellent opponents regularly and it should be encouraged more. Wilder was the same for years and people were getting fed up. You think Ali would have dodged anyone like they do today? There is some padding, but he fought everyone. Manny Pac too for a period. You cannot argue with that many top fighters on a resume. That is greatness and I do not care about it being a business or doing the least for the most. Give it your all and that's enough. Too much is given to the 0 and for me that is a no.

So your real problem is with fighters. At the end of the day they sign the dotted line.

I'm not criticising anyone but it sums up the entire thread. Boxing fans are like spoilt children, never satisfied, always demanding the next one. Even when the business has been explained the reaction is - I don't care about the business side, I know best how to run boxing, it should be like this. There's 30 registered boxing promotions happening today, hardly any will have TV coverage/sponsorship/media coverage. There's a world outside of Bob, Al, Eddie, Oscar and the superstars they invest in.

Every single era of boxing is littered with fights that should, would, could have been made. Every single era filled with great champions slated for facing "bums." From boxing's inception, it's demise has been predicted.

Perhaps some fighters do want to avoid challenges as well as promoters. I certainly look at Mayweather that way in his final decade. I also think others are carefully managed and the promoters lay down the money, sort out the contracts, and are of course at times looking out for fighters, but we do clearly miss out on a lot of fights because promoters won't let fights happen and do want to prolong that investment. It inevitably means easy fights or avoiding fights.

I don't think fans are spoiled in the slightest. What other sport can have fans forking out like boxing has them do? It is hardly a cheap hobby to follow. In saying that I do wish they would give me the option as some fights I would love to see properly. Kovalev-Canelo will no doubt be a lot of fun and I enjoy the fact that they are actually doing that. Should be more like that.

The elite fighters are spoiled more than the fans. Mayweather was taking the mickey more often than not towards the end. The fans were not spoilt.

Right on the button. But then again everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if someone wants to think that fans are "spoiled children" for wanting only the best matchups, I guess that is their god-given right. If someone would rather concentrate on the business side of boxing, since we're reduced to little else, then I guess that's fine as well.

All I know is that boxing is the only sport where the best don't always face the best, and all because of the greediness and outsized egos of a small handful of sleazy promoters. When two fighters at the top of their game won't face each other because the promoters are haggling over one percentage of the proceeds, the last thing I want to hear is some finance major giving lectures on Finance 101. Not interested. I'll choose to continue sports as entertainment. Entertainment we pay top dollar for.

Boxing is the only sport when, if and when the best finally face the best, it's way beyond their peak years and we're all reduced to "what ifs."

If there was such a thing as reincarnation (which I don't believe in), I'd come back as a boxing promoter because it's the perfect setup. Rob the public of their hard-earned money.... give them shitty or expired product.... watch them coming back for more.... and have them arguing over the "business side" of boxing.

Hahaha! Priceless. Actually..... what is priceless is calling fans spoiled children because they get upset when major fights are withheld while promoters try to "one-up" each other. Priceless.....

[Beanz]

It is easy to forget when it is presented as spectacle and entertainment, which it is of course, that is also about risk taking. Boxers are by their very nature extreme risk takers as are promoters and managers. Like Fenster said in contests all around this country, which are not televised, boxers, promoters and managers/coaches will be rolling the dice every time two guys step through the ropes. Not just risk of serious injury and death which puts most people off. Risk of having a bad night at the office that ends your career. Risk of not attracting the sponsorship you need to get to the next level, Risk of your fighter ignoring or listening to advice form the corner that cost him or could have helped him win a decision. Risk of bad inept reffs, corrupt reffs, lousy judges, punters not buying tickets and so despite winning you don't get to fight on the next show. Risk of your investment saying something stupid or taking a dodgy supplement or getting into a fight on a night out,or being shot in the leg , risk of being on such another level nobody wants to fight him. The list is endless.


You can't really compare a one off fight to a tennis, golf or team knockout tournament precisely because every time someone fights you are re-rolling the dice, and to a large degree resetting the odds. Form and past progress don't necessarily mean that much, unlike in non-combat sports where the rankings are often good predictors. In boxing there is a favourite but the consequences of losing are far bigger and can end careers if not seriously stall and hamper them. No dodgy risk taking irresponsible promoters and you have no boxing. If you want squeaky clean honest promoters, they would probably not even be interested in promoting boxing.

[TitoFan]

It is easy to forget when it is presented as spectacle and entertainment, which it is of course, that is also about risk taking. Boxers are by their very nature extreme risk takers as are promoters and managers. Like Fenster said in contests all around this country, which are not televised, boxers, promoters and managers/coaches will be rolling the dice every time two guys step through the ropes. Not just risk of serious injury and death which puts most people off. Risk of having a bad night at the office that ends your career. Risk of not attracting the sponsorship you need to get to the next level, Risk of your fighter ignoring or listening to advice form the corner that cost him or could have helped him win a decision. Risk of bad inept reffs, corrupt reffs, lousy judges, punters not buying tickets and so despite winning you don't get to fight on the next show. Risk of your investment saying something stupid or taking a dodgy supplement or getting into a fight on a night out,or being shot in the leg , risk of being on such another level nobody wants to fight him. The list is endless.


You can't really compare a one off fight to a tennis, golf or team knockout tournament precisely because every time someone fights you are re-rolling the dice, and to a large degree resetting the odds. Form and past progress don't necessarily mean that much, unlike in non-combat sports where the rankings are often good predictors. In boxing there is a favourite but the consequences of losing are far bigger and can end careers if not seriously stall and hamper them. No dodgy risk taking irresponsible promoters and you have no boxing. If you want squeaky clean honest promoters, they would probably not even be interested in promoting boxing.

I've no doubts nor am I denying the existence of the bottom rung of promoters/fighters. But at the PPV, televised level, what you have are multimillionaire promoters who are rich beyond their wildest dreams. And they STILL manage to keep fights from happening because one wants a 55/45 split, and the other one wants a 50/50 split. Or because one just "can't do business" with the other. At the level we're discussing, both fighters AND promoters are beyond the risks you mention. Promoters' wealth is secure... and fighters have already built a reputation and a following which will persist beyond a loss or a "bad night at the office."

And no... golf and tennis are non-combat sports, that's correct. My only point was that both sports something in common with boxing. For every marquee-name star we watch on TV, there's hundreds upon hundreds of scrubs who barely make a living off the sport, and have to spend their own money and savings just to get from one tournament to the next.

I'm not asking for "squeaky clean honest promoters." I'm asking for some sort of governing entity/body.... call it what you will.... that will stop the practice of major, logical, WANTED fights being made because Arum won't work with Hearn, who won't work with Warren, who won't work with Haymon, who won't work with Arum...... blah, blah, eternal blah. Even those old dogs King and Arum managed to work together like two good little children in order to bring us some fights we wouldn't have seen otherwise.

Again, saying something can't be done (and repeating it over and over again), is the most surefire way to never even hoping to get ANYTHING done.

[walrus]

It is easy to forget when it is presented as spectacle and entertainment, which it is of course, that is also about risk taking. Boxers are by their very nature extreme risk takers as are promoters and managers. Like Fenster said in contests all around this country, which are not televised, boxers, promoters and managers/coaches will be rolling the dice every time two guys step through the ropes. Not just risk of serious injury and death which puts most people off. Risk of having a bad night at the office that ends your career. Risk of not attracting the sponsorship you need to get to the next level, Risk of your fighter ignoring or listening to advice form the corner that cost him or could have helped him win a decision. Risk of bad inept reffs, corrupt reffs, lousy judges, punters not buying tickets and so despite winning you don't get to fight on the next show. Risk of your investment saying something stupid or taking a dodgy supplement or getting into a fight on a night out,or being shot in the leg , risk of being on such another level nobody wants to fight him. The list is endless.


You can't really compare a one off fight to a tennis, golf or team knockout tournament precisely because every time someone fights you are re-rolling the dice, and to a large degree resetting the odds. Form and past progress don't necessarily mean that much, unlike in non-combat sports where the rankings are often good predictors. In boxing there is a favourite but the consequences of losing are far bigger and can end careers if not seriously stall and hamper them. No dodgy risk taking irresponsible promoters and you have no boxing. If you want squeaky clean honest promoters, they would probably not even be interested in promoting boxing.

I've no doubts nor am I denying the existence of the bottom rung of promoters/fighters. But at the PPV, televised level, what you have are multimillionaire promoters who are rich beyond their wildest dreams. And they STILL manage to keep fights from happening because one wants a 55/45 split, and the other one wants a 50/50 split. Or because one just "can't do business" with the other. At the level we're discussing, both fighters AND promoters are beyond the risks you mention. Promoters' wealth is secure... and fighters have already built a reputation and a following which will persist beyond a loss or a "bad night at the office."

And no... golf and tennis are non-combat sports, that's correct. My only point was that both sports something in common with boxing. For every marquee-name star we watch on TV, there's hundreds upon hundreds of scrubs who barely make a living off the sport, and have to spend their own money and savings just to get from one tournament to the next.

I'm not asking for "squeaky clean honest promoters." I'm asking for some sort of governing entity/body.... call it what you will.... that will stop the practice of major, logical, WANTED fights being made because Arum won't work with Hearn, who won't work with Warren, who won't work with Haymon, who won't work with Arum...... blah, blah, eternal blah. Even those old dogs King and Arum managed to work together like two good little children in order to bring us some fights we wouldn't have seen otherwise.

Again, saying something can't be done (and repeating it over and over again), is the most surefire way to never even hoping to get ANYTHING done.

Damn tits sorry I meant to like it

[Gandalf]

That's my issue with it Tits. The elite as in other elite sectors of the world that usually get people boiling over seem to get a pass in boxing and it is seen as sensible to mug fans off a few times and every now and then give a meaningful fight. You cannot tell me GGG needed those two fillers while killing time for Canelo. That is prime wasted time. It reduced his own clout and he was stiffed regardless. I am not sure what money even matters when you have millions and ordinary people will defend that side of it to the hilt. With sensible investment a top boxer need never be poor again, so I find the obsession with the odd percent vulgar. You are both fighters, so respect that you are both taking a risk instead of all the nonsense. Take Wilder and Joshua. There was no way to make a fair deal and just get it on? That's bad for boxing.

[Fatboxingfan]

50 mill

[Fenster]

Yep, all you non-mug "fans" always know what's best for boxing and how to "fix" it. You're all experts (especially with hindsight), know exactly what matches people should watch and what is pointless.

In the past few weeks, off the top of my head we've had

Spence-Porter (FOTY candidate)
Fury-Otto (almost upset of the year)
Loma-Campbell (P4P no.1 / two elite lightweights)
Kovalev-Yarde (almost another upset)
Browne-Pascal (big veteran upset)
Ramirez-Hooker (140 Unification / FOTY-ish)

Did you enjoy any? Watch any? Know who they are? "Back in the 70s, regular defences, best against best" ..... do me a favour, fake arse fans (no disrespect)

Of course I watched several (on You Tube) as I cannot get to see fight and know who most are except the likes of Otto. Nobody is saying fun fights do not get made, but more that people like Fury do have somewhat weak resumes due to padding, and though upsets can happen, the padding happens to keep the money flowing and to protect the money man. That is why we have to respect fighters who do fight excellent opponents regularly and it should be encouraged more. Wilder was the same for years and people were getting fed up. You think Ali would have dodged anyone like they do today? There is some padding, but he fought everyone. Manny Pac too for a period. You cannot argue with that many top fighters on a resume. That is greatness and I do not care about it being a business or doing the least for the most. Give it your all and that's enough. Too much is given to the 0 and for me that is a no.

So your real problem is with fighters. At the end of the day they sign the dotted line.

I'm not criticising anyone but it sums up the entire thread. Boxing fans are like spoilt children, never satisfied, always demanding the next one. Even when the business has been explained the reaction is - I don't care about the business side, I know best how to run boxing, it should be like this. There's 30 registered boxing promotions happening today, hardly any will have TV coverage/sponsorship/media coverage. There's a world outside of Bob, Al, Eddie, Oscar and the superstars they invest in.

Every single era of boxing is littered with fights that should, would, could have been made. Every single era filled with great champions slated for facing "bums." From boxing's inception, it's demise has been predicted.

Perhaps some fighters do want to avoid challenges as well as promoters. I certainly look at Mayweather that way in his final decade. I also think others are carefully managed and the promoters lay down the money, sort out the contracts, and are of course at times looking out for fighters, but we do clearly miss out on a lot of fights because promoters won't let fights happen and do want to prolong that investment. It inevitably means easy fights or avoiding fights.

I don't think fans are spoiled in the slightest. What other sport can have fans forking out like boxing has them do? It is hardly a cheap hobby to follow. In saying that I do wish they would give me the option as some fights I would love to see properly. Kovalev-Canelo will no doubt be a lot of fun and I enjoy the fact that they are actually doing that. Should be more like that.

The elite fighters are spoiled more than the fans. Mayweather was taking the mickey more often than not towards the end. The fans were not spoilt.

Right on the button. But then again everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if someone wants to think that fans are "spoiled children" for wanting only the best matchups, I guess that is their god-given right. If someone would rather concentrate on the business side of boxing, since we're reduced to little else, then I guess that's fine as well.

All I know is that boxing is the only sport where the best don't always face the best, and all because of the greediness and outsized egos of a small handful of sleazy promoters. When two fighters at the top of their game won't face each other because the promoters are haggling over one percentage of the proceeds, the last thing I want to hear is some finance major giving lectures on Finance 101. Not interested. I'll choose to continue sports as entertainment. Entertainment we pay top dollar for.

Boxing is the only sport when, if and when the best finally face the best, it's way beyond their peak years and we're all reduced to "what ifs."

If there was such a thing as reincarnation (which I don't believe in), I'd come back as a boxing promoter because it's the perfect setup. Rob the public of their hard-earned money.... give them shitty or expired product.... watch them coming back for more.... and have them arguing over the "business side" of boxing.

Hahaha! Priceless. Actually..... what is priceless is calling fans spoiled children because they get upset when major fights are withheld while promoters try to "one-up" each other. Priceless.....

Nobody called anyone a spoilt child for wanting the best against the best. As this thread highlights, there is simply nothing in boxing to ever satisfy everyone, one mans great matchup is anothers garbage. Your "top dollar" fight is another mans "mug" fight.

Boxing is nothing like other sports, where athletes compete dozens and dozens of times to establish a hierarchy. People in this thread are saying AJ-Wilder is "tainted." Why? Because one of them suffered ONE loss. Yet if Andy Ruiz beats AJ again what was so special about the Wilder fight anyway, as Ruiz will have proven better than AJ. And he's already ranked no.1 with that one upset. Boxing is impossible to accurately rank, nobody can ever fight everyone, there's always the next guy, THE best is basically fantasy.

Look at this thread, so far boxing is rubbish because of - promoters, fans, boxers, TV companies, elite spoilt boxers and.... money. Priceless. The sole reason for being a pro boxer is to make money, every fighter in history turned pro to make money. Tennis players, golfers, footballers don't start out seeking to earn a living, they love what they do, they're not risking their life, not half sick in the head. They can suffer dozens and dozens of loses, spend years in the wilderness yet turn it all around with one great tournament (like your hero Tiger).

You guys should try to understand that punches actually hurt? All fighters suffer permanent damage, whether it physical, mental or both. It's scary staring at a man who's trained to the minute to rip your head off. It's not like playstations where you press reset to start again.

And you get upset by someone describing fans as "spoilt children." Priceless.

[TitoFan]

Yep, all you non-mug "fans" always know what's best for boxing and how to "fix" it. You're all experts (especially with hindsight), know exactly what matches people should watch and what is pointless.

In the past few weeks, off the top of my head we've had

Spence-Porter (FOTY candidate)
Fury-Otto (almost upset of the year)
Loma-Campbell (P4P no.1 / two elite lightweights)
Kovalev-Yarde (almost another upset)
Browne-Pascal (big veteran upset)
Ramirez-Hooker (140 Unification / FOTY-ish)

Did you enjoy any? Watch any? Know who they are? "Back in the 70s, regular defences, best against best" ..... do me a favour, fake arse fans (no disrespect)

Of course I watched several (on You Tube) as I cannot get to see fight and know who most are except the likes of Otto. Nobody is saying fun fights do not get made, but more that people like Fury do have somewhat weak resumes due to padding, and though upsets can happen, the padding happens to keep the money flowing and to protect the money man. That is why we have to respect fighters who do fight excellent opponents regularly and it should be encouraged more. Wilder was the same for years and people were getting fed up. You think Ali would have dodged anyone like they do today? There is some padding, but he fought everyone. Manny Pac too for a period. You cannot argue with that many top fighters on a resume. That is greatness and I do not care about it being a business or doing the least for the most. Give it your all and that's enough. Too much is given to the 0 and for me that is a no.

So your real problem is with fighters. At the end of the day they sign the dotted line.

I'm not criticising anyone but it sums up the entire thread. Boxing fans are like spoilt children, never satisfied, always demanding the next one. Even when the business has been explained the reaction is - I don't care about the business side, I know best how to run boxing, it should be like this. There's 30 registered boxing promotions happening today, hardly any will have TV coverage/sponsorship/media coverage. There's a world outside of Bob, Al, Eddie, Oscar and the superstars they invest in.

Every single era of boxing is littered with fights that should, would, could have been made. Every single era filled with great champions slated for facing "bums." From boxing's inception, it's demise has been predicted.

Perhaps some fighters do want to avoid challenges as well as promoters. I certainly look at Mayweather that way in his final decade. I also think others are carefully managed and the promoters lay down the money, sort out the contracts, and are of course at times looking out for fighters, but we do clearly miss out on a lot of fights because promoters won't let fights happen and do want to prolong that investment. It inevitably means easy fights or avoiding fights.

I don't think fans are spoiled in the slightest. What other sport can have fans forking out like boxing has them do? It is hardly a cheap hobby to follow. In saying that I do wish they would give me the option as some fights I would love to see properly. Kovalev-Canelo will no doubt be a lot of fun and I enjoy the fact that they are actually doing that. Should be more like that.

The elite fighters are spoiled more than the fans. Mayweather was taking the mickey more often than not towards the end. The fans were not spoilt.

Right on the button. But then again everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if someone wants to think that fans are "spoiled children" for wanting only the best matchups, I guess that is their god-given right. If someone would rather concentrate on the business side of boxing, since we're reduced to little else, then I guess that's fine as well.

All I know is that boxing is the only sport where the best don't always face the best, and all because of the greediness and outsized egos of a small handful of sleazy promoters. When two fighters at the top of their game won't face each other because the promoters are haggling over one percentage of the proceeds, the last thing I want to hear is some finance major giving lectures on Finance 101. Not interested. I'll choose to continue sports as entertainment. Entertainment we pay top dollar for.

Boxing is the only sport when, if and when the best finally face the best, it's way beyond their peak years and we're all reduced to "what ifs."

If there was such a thing as reincarnation (which I don't believe in), I'd come back as a boxing promoter because it's the perfect setup. Rob the public of their hard-earned money.... give them shitty or expired product.... watch them coming back for more.... and have them arguing over the "business side" of boxing.

Hahaha! Priceless. Actually..... what is priceless is calling fans spoiled children because they get upset when major fights are withheld while promoters try to "one-up" each other. Priceless.....

Nobody called anyone a spoilt child for wanting the best against the best. As this thread highlights, there is simply nothing in boxing to ever satisfy everyone, one mans great matchup is anothers garbage. Your "top dollar" fight is another mans "mug" fight.

Boxing is nothing like other sports, where athletes compete dozens and dozens of times to establish a hierarchy. People in this thread are saying AJ-Wilder is "tainted." Why? Because one of them suffered ONE loss. Yet if Andy Ruiz beats AJ again what was so special about the Wilder fight anyway, as Ruiz will have proven better than AJ. And he's already ranked no.1 with that one upset. Boxing is impossible to accurately rank, nobody can ever fight everyone, there's always the next guy, THE best is basically fantasy.

Look at this thread, so far boxing is rubbish because of - promoters, fans, boxers, TV companies, elite spoilt boxers and.... money. Priceless. The sole reason for being a pro boxer is to make money, every fighter in history turned pro to make money. Tennis players, golfers, footballers don't start out seeking to earn a living, they love what they do, they're not risking their life, not half sick in the head. They can suffer dozens and dozens of loses, spend years in the wilderness yet turn it all around with one great tournament (like your hero Tiger).

You guys should try to understand that punches actually hurt? All fighters suffer permanent damage, whether it physical, mental or both. It's scary staring at a man who's trained to the minute to rip your head off. It's not like playstations where you press reset to start again.

And you get upset by someone describing fans as "spoilt children." Priceless.

Fans aren't spoilt children (ok I'll spell it in old English ), Fenster. Fans are normal people seeking a respite from their daily drudgery, willing to spend hard-earned money to watch top entertainment. It's why professional sports leagues are constantly tweaking their product, making adjustments here and there. To satisfy the craving of fans for better and better competitive sports entertainment. But you're free to call fans whatever you want. It's a free country, like they say.

Other things you said I have no issue with, believe it or not. There IS nothing in boxing to ever satisfy everyone. Nothing is truer than that. One man's great matchup IS another man's garbage. You say "people" in this thread say AJ-Wilder is "tainted." At least you didn't make it all inclusive. 'Cause count me out of that group. If it's tainted, bring it here, 'cause I'd still love to see that fight and would gladly pay the PPV. So not all of us "spoilt children" are the same. (I keep getting spellchecked on "spoilt", but I'll continue using it during the remainder of this post).

Ok... then you use your poetic license and say the thread is about boxing being rubbish because of all the things you proceed to name. No. I started the thread, so allow me to tell you what the thread is about. It's about greedy, sleazy promoters, who are already multimillionaires, haggling over half a percentage (or refusing to work with another, rival promoter).... while fights that are not only wanted and demanded by the public, but wanted by the boxers themselves.... go unmade. THAT is what the thread is about. Yes, you're welcome.

Your next sentences are devoted to making as huge a chasm as possible between boxers and every other pro athlete. It's as if boxers hate boxing from Day One. They only get into it because they're thinking solely about the money. They actually HATE and FEAR boxing. No boxer in the history of the world got started in boxing because they like it. That is a fantasy. Every boxer that has ever lived began in boxing because they were only thinking about the money, while trying to keep out of their minds how much they hated boxing. Please....

I know it's all part of trying to make a point. But nothing changes the original purpose and statement of this thread, which is that the sport of boxing has suffered (not rubbish.... suffered... it's still a great sport) because of a handful of super-rich promoters who keep major fights from happening WHEN they should logically happen, all because of one or two percentage points..... or because they want to let fights "marinate" (translation: I don't want to lose my cash cow just yet)..... or because their ego prevents them from co-promoting a fight with "so-and-so."

What's actually priceless is the lengths some here will go to in order to defend the very sport they turn around and criticize so vehemently. At least I'm honest about it.

[Spicoli]

At the end of the day don't we just want good competitive fights. I think a lot of times fans get stuck on 'elite v elite' woulda coulda shoulda and maybe don't fully appreciate the gems that come along while waiting. Tunnel vision a bit. The upsets or ones where we got so stuck on a guys push that we underrate the opponent. Upsets and nights that leave you asking wait..so he's apparently not the absolute best? It happens monthly.

[TitoFan]

At the end of the day don't we just want good competitive fights. I think a lot of times fans get stuck on 'elite v elite' woulda coulda shoulda and maybe don't fully appreciate the gems that come along while waiting. Tunnel vision a bit. The upsets or ones where we got so stuck on a guys push that we underrate the opponent. Upsets and nights that leave you asking wait..so he's apparently not the absolute best? It happens monthly.

"Elite vs elite" OR........ "fully appreciate the gems that come along while waiting"

Hmmmmm.......

[TitoFan]

Didn't realize these were mutually exclusive.