Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

[Beanz]

Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

Clay was a great fighter in his era.

There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.

You call Mike Tyson - Malik Abdul Aziz ? or Mike Tyson ?Christened Clay so he is Clay, won the title as Clay , being brainwashed by a death cult doesn't change that.
So Beanz comment on my boxing picks not a made up name.

HE had the right to change his name. That you have always insisted on refusing to use it and acknowledge that right speaks volumes.

Holyfield is made to look ordinary by Ali and Lewis and Tyson have a punchers chance but not much more than that.

Frazier, 'could' beat the 67 Ali, doesn't mean he would have. Its all conjecture and you might as well try and guess the colour on a roulette wheel.

[Dark Lord Al]

Yes Clay was at the top of his game in his own time.
As Tyson was the best in his time, Lewis the best of his time etc.

[Mark TKO]

Why is the name change an issue.

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!

[Dark Lord Al]

Why is the name change an issue.

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!

I have no issue at all , I have given my opinions on who would beat him.

[Mark TKO]

Why is the name change an issue.

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!

I have no issue at all , I have given my opinions on who would beat him.

I was just trying to get one of my favourite Coming to America quotes in to be fair

[Primo Carnera]

Why is the name change an issue.

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!

I have no issue at all , I have given my opinions on who would beat him.

I was just trying to get one of my favourite Coming to America quotes in to be fair

Fair play, that went right over my head. One of the funniest film sketches ever.

[Gandalf]

I think prime Tyson is a much better fighter than prime Frazier. Tyson would land because he has the speed as well as the great upper body and head movement. He would be able to bust Ali up IMO. Foreman and Shavers hit hard, but Tyson did it from both hands and in combination. Quite overwhelming. I can see Ali on his bike all night, but having his own flurry moments. He couldn't stop Tyson as Tyson had a good chin.

I maintain that Vitali would have been good as his size was something different. He would get hit, but he threw 80 punches a round and could punch. Ali would have issues with the range. Ali was more of a David Haye in terms of height and build. Wlad was technically better, but bad stamina and delicate. I always enjoyed Vitali. He just seemed like such a tough bastard. Shame about the Lewis fight as he was winning that too. Lewis was okay, but I find him overrated. Easily outboxed by Bruno, bad stoppage losses, and a bit robotic. I can see Ali doing well there as Lewis was not that out of range.