10 Biggest Polluters on Earth

[TitoFan]

Ok..... I get your disdain from Greta.

So nothing else in the post caught your attention?

[TitoFan]

Hey Lyle, forget Greta for a minute.

Many environmentalists just want society to implement the principles we all know would be beneficial for a healthy environment. Forget the alarmists, the Gretas, the doomsayers, the extremists. Focus on what everyone knows is right. Renewable energy..... pollution control and the recycling of waste to energy that would allow much of that to happen..... the protection of our wetlands and our global forestation..... city and building designs meant to preserve the environment while conserving energy and using as much renewables as possible.... promoting alternative energy sources..... fighting pollution wherever it exists.... educating our children in these principles. What's wrong with any of that?

Let's get our heads out of the sand and support these initiatives. It's not about US vs THEM. It's about doing what's right and makes common sense to protect the environment.

[El Kabong]

Hey Lyle, forget Greta for a minute.

Many environmentalists just want society to implement the principles we all know would be beneficial for a healthy environment. Forget the alarmists, the Gretas, the doomsayers, the extremists. Focus on what everyone knows is right. Renewable energy..... pollution control and the recycling of waste to energy that would allow much of that to happen..... the protection of our wetlands and our global forestation..... city and building designs meant to preserve the environment while conserving energy and using as much renewables as possible.... promoting alternative energy sources..... fighting pollution wherever it exists.... educating our children in these principles. What's wrong with any of that?

Let's get our heads out of the sand and support these initiatives. It's not about US vs THEM. It's about doing what's right and makes common sense to protect the environment.

No other form of energy is more efficient than nuclear. We've got oil and gas for centuries and as engines improve those will become more and more efficient using less and less. Yes wetlands, rain forests, other areas need protecting, nobody disagrees with that. Pollution control is something that the free market will address.

A lot of these "green" things ain't so great.

Lithium Batteries....where do they come from?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...car-batteries/


I'm for a clean environment, I never said I wasn't, I DO think there are a lot of folks who love to preach about saving shit but they don't practice it and it's not just brainless self absorbed actors it's world leaders too!

The sea levels are rising!!!! Is the cry of many and yet Al Gore and Barack Obama both have beach front properties....why? To be on the first line of defense? HARDLY! They're massive hypocrites and they line their pockets with the money spent on these ostentatious deals like the Paris Accords...nobody audits where the money goes. Buying carbon offsets? Same exact thing as indulgences in Catholic Church....it's a racket! And who wins? The environment? Not hardly.

[Beanz]

Hey Lyle, forget Greta for a minute.

Many environmentalists just want society to implement the principles we all know would be beneficial for a healthy environment. Forget the alarmists, the Gretas, the doomsayers, the extremists. Focus on what everyone knows is right. Renewable energy..... pollution control and the recycling of waste to energy that would allow much of that to happen..... the protection of our wetlands and our global forestation..... city and building designs meant to preserve the environment while conserving energy and using as much renewables as possible.... promoting alternative energy sources..... fighting pollution wherever it exists.... educating our children in these principles. What's wrong with any of that?

Let's get our heads out of the sand and support these initiatives. It's not about US vs THEM. It's about doing what's right and makes common sense to protect the environment.

No other form of energy is more efficient than nuclear. We've got oil and gas for centuries and as engines improve those will become more and more efficient using less and less. Yes wetlands, rain forests, other areas need protecting, nobody disagrees with that. Pollution control is something that the free market will address.

A lot of these "green" things ain't so great.

Lithium Batteries....where do they come from?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...car-batteries/


I'm for a clean environment, I never said I wasn't, I DO think there are a lot of folks who love to preach about saving shit but they don't practice it and it's not just brainless self absorbed actors it's world leaders too!

The sea levels are rising!!!! Is the cry of many and yet Al Gore and Barack Obama both have beach front properties....why? To be on the first line of defense? HARDLY! They're massive hypocrites and they line their pockets with the money spent on these ostentatious deals like the Paris Accords...nobody audits where the money goes. Buying carbon offsets? Same exact thing as indulgences in Catholic Church....it's a racket! And who wins? The environment? Not hardly.

Pollution control is something that the free market will address

You are going to have to stop worshiping at this particular altar ^^^^


It is quite the opposite. Huge corporations are the natural expression of unbridled free market capitalism and they are the principle culprits for environmental destruction. Fuck that model. Fuck countries and people that insist that is still the model we should be following. That will end us.

You are so ideologically driven it is absolutely religious with you. You might as well say Fuck the planet and fuck God and his creation because the Dollar is my lord and savior. Insane stuff.

[El Kabong]

Pollution control is something that the free market will address

You are going to have to stop worshiping at this particular altar ^^^^


It is quite the opposite. Huge corporations are the natural expression of unbridled free market capitalism and they are the principle culprits for environmental destruction. Fuck that model. Fuck countries and people that insist that is still the model we should be following. That will end us.

You are so ideologically driven it is absolutely religious with you. You might as well say Fuck the planet and fuck God and his creation because the Dollar is my lord and savior. Insane stuff.

I'm talking in terms of new technologies dipshit not just allowing companies to spew toxic waste into everything.


Stop being so literal

[TitoFan]

Pollution control is something that the free market will address

You are going to have to stop worshiping at this particular altar ^^^^


It is quite the opposite. Huge corporations are the natural expression of unbridled free market capitalism and they are the principle culprits for environmental destruction. Fuck that model. Fuck countries and people that insist that is still the model we should be following. That will end us.

You are so ideologically driven it is absolutely religious with you. You might as well say Fuck the planet and fuck God and his creation because the Dollar is my lord and savior. Insane stuff.

I'm talking in terms of new technologies dipshit not just allowing companies to spew toxic waste into everything.


Stop being so literal

The thing is Lyle, new technologies for pollution control may be something the free market "will address"...... but only if they're incentivized to do it.

Case in point. Many years ago I worked at a steel mill. At the time, it was considered pretty state-of-the-art with all the pollution control mechanisms and equipment it was using. But it wasn't using all these technologies out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they were so aware of the environment. They were using it because of the government and environmentalists' pressure to reduce harmful emissions at that time. The technology was costly, and added cost to the final product. But they couldn't operate without it.

So leaving the free market to its own free will regarding pollution control is a bit like leaving the fox watching the hen coop.

Companies nowadays are trying to come up with newer and better ideas at how to curb and/or re-mediate pollution. They just need to receive the boost and the importance that is warranted in order to force all of industry to use these technologies. That...... is where I believe we're lagging behind. We have the technologies. But until we can get people united behind the urgency of the need, they (the technologies) may as well not exist.

[El Kabong]

The thing is Lyle, new technologies for pollution control may be something the free market "will address"...... but only if they're incentivized to do it.

Case in point. Many years ago I worked at a steel mill. At the time, it was considered pretty state-of-the-art with all the pollution control mechanisms and equipment it was using. But it wasn't using all these technologies out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they were so aware of the environment. They were using it because of the government and environmentalists' pressure to reduce harmful emissions at that time. The technology was costly, and added cost to the final product. But they couldn't operate without it.

So leaving the free market to its own free will regarding pollution control is a bit like leaving the fox watching the hen coop.

Companies nowadays are trying to come up with newer and better ideas at how to curb and/or re-mediate pollution. They just need to receive the boost and the importance that is warranted in order to force all of industry to use these technologies. That...... is where I believe we're lagging behind. We have the technologies. But until we can get people united behind the urgency of the need, they (the technologies) may as well not exist.

Thought experiment...what if I invented something which halves the pollution emitted from your factory allowing you to increase production without drawing the ire of the government....what happens to me and my technology?


Answer: I become a trillionaire and my technology is utilized by anyone with half a brain.


Ergo "the free market will handle it" ...I never even brought up the EPA or any government agency, the immediate jump to "AH HA!!! But what about the EPA and government agencies!!!!"....I never mentioned it because the EPA doesn't invent new things, the government bureaucracy isn't in that business, they're in the "did you color inside the lines" business which is irksome but needed and that is why I didn't mention them.

[El Kabong]

Ok..... we get your disdain from Greta.

So nothing else in the post caught your attention?

There's no graph on the chart the lil cartoon lecturer is presenting?


I assume you mean the list of great and wonderful things that we could achieve if only we go the green route?