Life Expenses in the UK

[Gandalf]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

[walrus]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

[Gandalf]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

Trauma is different for everyone though, and I agree with Fats that the child mind is far more delicate than anything else. If you are beaten with a belt regularly then that will have implications, my only contention was that Fats was still smart and able to work. That does not mean that he can ever just erase what he experienced and likewise with me, though I kind of used those experiences to push myself rather make excuses.

What you likely saw is horrendous and awful and again something you will never be free from, but unlike the child you chose to put yourself there. The child is not free to decide whether the beating will come or the abandonment will happen or what have you. The child internalizes and typically blames themselves rather than the rotters who did it to them. It gets confused. That's why I am like a broken record with the 'If you cannot raise children properly, then do not do it' mantra.

Still, you saw horrible things that compare to the horrors of Beanz and no doubt it is something that will be with you to the end. That is certainly trauma and the side effects can often be what me and Brock speak about, but likewise, you knuckle down and get on with it all.

[walrus]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

Trauma is different for everyone though, and I agree with Fats that the child mind is far more delicate than anything else. If you are beaten with a belt regularly then that will have implications, my only contention was that Fats was still smart and able to work. That does not mean that he can ever just erase what he experienced and likewise with me, though I kind of used those experiences to push myself rather make excuses.

What you likely saw is horrendous and awful and again something you will never be free from, but unlike the child you chose to put yourself there. The child is not free to decide whether the beating will come or the abandonment will happen or what have you. The child internalizes and typically blames themselves rather than the rotters who did it to them. It gets confused. That's why I am like a broken record with the 'If you cannot raise children properly, then do not do it' mantra.

Still, you saw horrible things that compare to the horrors of Beanz and no doubt it is something that will be with you to the end. That is certainly trauma and the side effects can often be what me and Brock speak about, but likewise, you knuckle down and get on with it all.

Don’t assume I never took a belt or have shit happen in my childhood.

[Gandalf]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

Trauma is different for everyone though, and I agree with Fats that the child mind is far more delicate than anything else. If you are beaten with a belt regularly then that will have implications, my only contention was that Fats was still smart and able to work. That does not mean that he can ever just erase what he experienced and likewise with me, though I kind of used those experiences to push myself rather make excuses.

What you likely saw is horrendous and awful and again something you will never be free from, but unlike the child you chose to put yourself there. The child is not free to decide whether the beating will come or the abandonment will happen or what have you. The child internalizes and typically blames themselves rather than the rotters who did it to them. It gets confused. That's why I am like a broken record with the 'If you cannot raise children properly, then do not do it' mantra.

Still, you saw horrible things that compare to the horrors of Beanz and no doubt it is something that will be with you to the end. That is certainly trauma and the side effects can often be what me and Brock speak about, but likewise, you knuckle down and get on with it all.

Don’t assume I never took a belt or have shit happen in my childhood.

I have not assumed that at all. In fact, I wonder why you joined the military knowing that it could be messy. People can be complicated.

[Fatboxingfan]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

Trauma is different for everyone though, and I agree with Fats that the child mind is far more delicate than anything else. If you are beaten with a belt regularly then that will have implications, my only contention was that Fats was still smart and able to work. That does not mean that he can ever just erase what he experienced and likewise with me, though I kind of used those experiences to push myself rather make excuses.

What you likely saw is horrendous and awful and again something you will never be free from, but unlike the child you chose to put yourself there. The child is not free to decide whether the beating will come or the abandonment will happen or what have you. The child internalizes and typically blames themselves rather than the rotters who did it to them. It gets confused. That's why I am like a broken record with the 'If you cannot raise children properly, then do not do it' mantra.

Still, you saw horrible things that compare to the horrors of Beanz and no doubt it is something that will be with you to the end. That is certainly trauma and the side effects can often be what me and Brock speak about, but likewise, you knuckle down and get on with it all.

Don’t assume I never took a belt or have shit happen in my childhood.

I have not assumed that at all. In fact, I wonder why you joined the military knowing that it could be messy. People can be complicated.

Stop making so much sense. ever hear that song by The talking heads it's called stop making sense. Everything is not always cut-and-dry the poor guy was probably only 18 years old when he enlisted , how much does anybody know when they're 18. it's like Lyle asking me to explain to him why a woman shows a certain career which normally isn't for women. I told him it's because that's what appealed to the human being at the time. The same thing here of course he knew it would be messy he was 18 years old that's the reason. Everything can't be broken down into pieces and explained in a logical manner and a certain point in the chain is indicated or contraindicated. Shit just happens.

[Gandalf]

Walrus gets what I am talking about. We had had a private exchange, we understand each other, and didn't even get fully undressed.

[Fatboxingfan]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

That is a whole nother universe that is something that nobody can imagine except for you and people who like you did that. That is something that we have only seen about in the movies and heard about from veterans like you. There is no way we could imagine that. And when you guys come back from that there is no way anybody can tell you what kind of a life you should live or what kind of a job you can do or can't do or are capable of doing or emotionally wanting even to do after that. That is unimaginable stuff compared to what we are talking about here is in a totally different universe

[walrus]

you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

That is a whole nother universe that is something that nobody can imagine except for you and people who like you did that. That is something that we have only seen about in the movies and heard about from veterans like you. There is no way we could imagine that. And when you guys come back from that there is no way anybody can tell you what kind of a life you should live or what kind of a job you can do or can't do or are capable of doing or emotionally wanting even to do after that. That is unimaginable stuff compared to what we are talking about here is in a totally different universe

Did you serve in the French foreign legion? I hear they are bad ass

[Fatboxingfan]

Three and a half years

[Fatboxingfan]

Really a detachment of the French Foreign Legion based on the island of Mayotte, near Madagascar

[X]

My next door neighbour did ten years in the Legion. He will know your detachment and probably your Legion number. What was your Legion number?

You shouldn't make Walter Mitty statements, as you might get found out!