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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Not low as in bad, but low as in anyone can do it. Anyone can tape boxes in a factory and no you better not rely on that being a 30 year career.
    You are completely marginalizing the emotionally unstable and the psychologically unstable and the emotionally unhealthy and the psychologically unhealthy and those who have nervous breakdowns and those whose suddenly minds snap, and those who have late onset disorders and that is millions of people right there we are talkin about maybe tens of millions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Not low as in bad, but low as in anyone can do it. Anyone can tape boxes in a factory and no you better not rely on that being a 30 year career.
    You are completely marginalizing the emotionally unstable and the psychologically unstable and the emotionally unhealthy and the psychologically unhealthy and those who have nervous breakdowns and those whose suddenly minds snap, and those who have late onset disorders and that is millions of people right there we are talkin about maybe tens of millions
    That is why there are hierarchies and most are in the middle and some at the top and some nearer the bottom. It is not a perfect ride for all and some catch up and others fall. Everyone will have a hard time at some point and everyone will die. You do what you can with the tools you have. You yourself point out that life can be cruel, unfair and that we turn to dust.

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    I am very well paid nowadays, and I know that. It somewhat insulates you to many of the everyday concerns of normal and usual people. Very easy to become superior or moralistic about it all.

    But I also have been very poor. Not the 'western' definition of poor, but really going to sleep at night hungry when I was a kid.

    there are not too many steps/ bad decisions/ failures between any of us today becoming homeless, if you think about it.

    Luck has got much more to do with it than we may wish to admit to ourselves?
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    Miles , as of September 1st 2019 in the United kingdom there are 344,000 homeless people. In addition to that there are another 46,000 British households on the brink at high risk becoming homeless

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    Quote Originally Posted by X View Post
    I am very well paid nowadays, and I know that. It somewhat insulates you to many of the everyday concerns of normal and usual people. Very easy to become superior or moralistic about it all.

    But I also have been very poor. Not the 'western' definition of poor, but really going to sleep at night hungry when I was a kid.

    there are not too many steps/ bad decisions/ failures between any of us today becoming homeless, if you think about it.

    Luck has got much more to do with it than we may wish to admit to ourselves?
    Yes that's why I always say is there but by the grace of God go we.

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    Miles , as of September 1st 2019 in the United kingdom there are 344,000 homeless people. In addition to that there are another 46,000 British households on the brink at high risk becoming homeless
    Speaking for myself, we were homeless because my father who had a job went out drinking every night, had a wife who wouldn't do much, then couldn't afford the rent and then put to sleep dog and boom....homelessness. It was a self inflicted sequence of events and they did it to themselves. Thankfully because there were children the Tories were kind and I learned so much from that experience that I chose a good wife, then decided to save like a man, and at the same age my Dad did that to us bought a home in cash with no mortgage thus showing how life can be done. It was simply about making better judgment calls.

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    you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame

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    millions of people are perfectly normal until they reach their mid-30s or late 30s and then they have what is known as late onset mental illness. Just from one day to the next that is why they call it late onset. Millions and millions of people like that and there's nothing they can do to simply be on their toes as you put it and to try to get their lives back. Then you have people in tornadoes and earthquakes and hurricanes who go from one minute to the next abject poverty through no fault of their own and perhaps can never get it together again. Then you have people living under dictatorships and tyrants who do not Foster an economic environment in which people could actually thrive and so those people to the tune of tens of millions or let's say hundreds of millions in the cases of China and India have no hope of ever getting out of poverty. Now for you to say they should stop having children really doesn't do much for the situation because they are already living on two pennies per day and even if they had no kids would still be in abject poverty with no way out we are talking about hundreds of millions of people here. It's not about them being on their toes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame
    Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    millions of people are perfectly normal until they reach their mid-30s or late 30s and then they have what is known as late onset mental illness. Just from one day to the next that is why they call it late onset. Millions and millions of people like that and there's nothing they can do to simply be on their toes as you put it and to try to get their lives back. Then you have people in tornadoes and earthquakes and hurricanes who go from one minute to the next abject poverty through no fault of their own and perhaps can never get it together again. Then you have people living under dictatorships and tyrants who do not Foster an economic environment in which people could actually thrive and so those people to the tune of tens of millions or let's say hundreds of millions in the cases of China and India have no hope of ever getting out of poverty. Now for you to say they should stop having children really doesn't do much for the situation because they are already living on two pennies per day and even if they had no kids would still be in abject poverty with no way out we are talking about hundreds of millions of people here. It's not about them being on their toes
    This is actually a thread about life expenses in the UK. A place where they give you benefits if you genuinely cannot work or temporarily lose your job or have a baby etc. It's not like China.

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    The UK has lost a lot of its economic power and many people were marginalized. Take a look at over there where rich lives they used to be a heavy industrial base there a lot of manufacturing jobs for the locals and now those jobs are all gone and all shuttered and all closed up they don't have a lot of options around there where he lives

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    The UK has lost a lot of its economic power and many people were marginalized. Take a look at over there where rich lives they used to be a heavy industrial base there a lot of manufacturing jobs for the locals and now those jobs are all gone and all shuttered and all closed up they don't have a lot of options around there where he lives
    For sure, some areas have changed and not for the better. So, if you cannot mine and are say 40, then learn to fix cars, carpentry, plumbing. We can all work on something new according to our abilities. There is always something new and in my own case I would just become a Gigolo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame
    Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.
    Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
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    you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame
    Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.
    Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here
    Trauma is different for everyone though, and I agree with Fats that the child mind is far more delicate than anything else. If you are beaten with a belt regularly then that will have implications, my only contention was that Fats was still smart and able to work. That does not mean that he can ever just erase what he experienced and likewise with me, though I kind of used those experiences to push myself rather make excuses.

    What you likely saw is horrendous and awful and again something you will never be free from, but unlike the child you chose to put yourself there. The child is not free to decide whether the beating will come or the abandonment will happen or what have you. The child internalizes and typically blames themselves rather than the rotters who did it to them. It gets confused. That's why I am like a broken record with the 'If you cannot raise children properly, then do not do it' mantra.

    Still, you saw horrible things that compare to the horrors of Beanz and no doubt it is something that will be with you to the end. That is certainly trauma and the side effects can often be what me and Brock speak about, but likewise, you knuckle down and get on with it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
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    you have to realize and it takes time to realize this I think I am still realizing it myself that the people who did it to themselves as you put it or how I think of my own parents when I say damn them that they messed up me and my sister so badly with gaslighting and blame-shifting and verbal abuse and physical belt whippings what you have to realize is that they too what damaged when they grow up they did not consciously do any of that stuff maybe or maybe they were helpless to stop themselves from reacting the way they did in certain situations because perhaps that was exactly the way they were treated and abused for so very very long. So what I'm saying is there is a very large element and its of what is beyond our control and what what we are helpless to because we are human beings we are not super beings we are limited human beings who yes should try as hard as we can but there are just certain things that are beyond our grasp. and that is why I just cannot say that all homeless people or poor people are personally to blame
    Totally and I get you completely. But when we are talking about money and you have lived in Korea yourself know you could save half of that paycheck and over 2 years, that is 24,000 dollars, plus severance, plus pension refund (if the school paid it), you have the choice in all the jobs you have done over 30 years or so to save that 10%, to invest it. You have worked hard, you have got an education, but you lacked nurturing like I did. However, much trauma you still think you have, you have always had it in you to get out there and get a job and the savings potential has always been there for you. You spent years overseas where you don't even pay rent most of the time. Again, loads of little perks. Trauma has not stopped you working. We knuckle down.
    Both you little pussies have no idea what trauma is. Try a few explosions and see people blown up around you. Worry about mines and snipers. Kick in some doors not knowing what’s on the other side. Take a few rounds when you are tree top flying. I’ll show you trauma. Take off your ballerina shoes and go sell crazy somewhere else I’m full up here
    That is a whole nother universe that is something that nobody can imagine except for you and people who like you did that. That is something that we have only seen about in the movies and heard about from veterans like you. There is no way we could imagine that. And when you guys come back from that there is no way anybody can tell you what kind of a life you should live or what kind of a job you can do or can't do or are capable of doing or emotionally wanting even to do after that. That is unimaginable stuff compared to what we are talking about here is in a totally different universe

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