Is it wrong to decry the decline of world leadership quality?

[El Kabong]

You know guys, the fact that we even have to be discussing this is telling of the state of affairs today, TBH.

we don't actually HAVE to discuss it. The media would like to focus on all the negatives of Trump without ever understanding why people vote for him...it does him a disservice. Added to which prior to his run for office, buffoonish though he may have been considered, on the whole, an affable guy, a guy seemingly appreciated by most and now we know that had caveats to it. As long as he stayed in his lane and out of politics unless he was willing to play with the swamp creatures.

We can sit here all day and go back and forth about the appropriateness or lack thereof of Trump poking fun at a dead former Congressman.

Dingell never said anything nice about Trump. Trump gave him the greatest posthumous honors possible, his widow was very gracious for that...but not so gracious that she didn't vote to impeach Trump on BULLSHIT charges and the more that comes out the more bullshit those charges are going to look.

There is a reason Trump was upset. We'll soon find out.

We can sit here all day and dredge up sins of past Presidents and I'm sure there's plenty.

But nothing will ever convince me that it's ok to give Trump a pass on everything that comes out of his mouth (or Twitter), just because the economy happens to be doing well at the moment.

You were the one calling for a return to the ways of old, the halcyon days of a bygone era where everyone played nice. Let me tell you, THOSE days, those are for when Democrats are in office and a guy in the middle of nowhere flyover country dresses up like the President at a rodeo (as he had done several times before) gets fire for daring impugn the God Emperor Obama ....THAT is where we used to be and where we are now is people testifying in front of Congress openly talking shit about the President's barely teenage son, and then we've got movie stars calling for assassinations and blowing up the White House.

Me..... I want a little more than that from my President. I want someone I can truly respect.... not fear.

Trump leads by fear (see the images on the OP of the thread).

The people (politicians and deep staters) who actually literally FEAR Trump, NEED to and DESERVE to.

You don't FEAR him. You think he's crass, uncouth, buffoonish. If you do fear him, why?

Unfortunately, flip-flopper Republicans like Lindsey Graham (who I've never liked from the get-go) actually drive the point home of what people hate in politicians by turning 180° on how he used to talk before.

My point is crystal clear.

Whether anyone agrees or not is beside the point.

I understand people who aren't paying attention to what I'm paying attention to are seeing the surface of what's happening and yeah the surface can get a bit choppy. Trump doesn't back down, he doesn't pull his punches....look what happened to those who HAVE backed down, who HAVE pulled punches....kindness is mistaken for weakness. George W. Bush got run over while in office, like him, hate him, feel indifferent about him, he allowed the Democrats to control the narrative and they ran with it, called him an idiot every chance they got, subverted his administration all the time...The media is on the side of the Democrats (mostly, sometimes Establishment Republicans when it suits them) and they didn't let anything get said of Obama, they didn't hound him with "serious questions" they lobbed softballs at him....Trump is vicious because he has to be, nobody is looking after Trump but Trump, he's smart to punch back because they can dish it out but they can't take it coming back at them.

I'm not responding to argue I'm responding to inform on how I a Trump supporter see things and you can take or leave them, I don't mind either way, I just wanted to explain my views.