End of year awards 2019

[TIC]

Most fighters CAN'T get away with it..... because they're not Canelo. Again, we can go back and forth all day, but you're not convincing anyone.

Why should I call out other MW's for not jumping two divisions to fight a suddenly vulnerable Kovalev? You keep harping on that even though I've already said more than once that fighters should clean out their own division, a concept as foreign to Canelo as neurosurgery. If you're gonna keep regurgitating the same arguments over and over again let me know..... so I can cut-paste my responses.

You give Canelo kudos for fighting Floyd at 152? Damn that's pathetic. So it was basically a bloated Floyd, who isn't even a true WW, who whitewashed Canelo like he's never whitewashed anyone before... proving Canelo didn't belong in the same galaxy with him.... and yet somehow one of Canelo's hired help judges managed to see it as a draw. Shit bro.... this isn't even worth arguing about.

My favorite argument of yours, though, is how you insist that Canelo travels.

In fact..... I like the argument so much, I think I'll post it here verbatim.

"canelo is not from america, every fight outside of mexico is travelling."


Man.... I don't know what to say. It's sad, really. It's becoming tougher not to call you a troll.


Hey, you know what? Of course I'm one-sided. (Newsflash)

I'm one-sided because I've been a boxing fan long enough to know that Canelo's career has been a well-orchestrated, protected, sham from the very beginning. I'm not going to bother with all the reasons why. It's not worth the trouble, and it's nothing I haven't said a million times before.

I already told you Canelo's an exciting fighter and that's all you're gonna get. Every other star in boxing history has earned their way to the top. They've fought credible opposition since about their 15th or 20th pro fight AT THE LATEST. They've fought all comers, including dangerous fighters that are not handicapped by age, weight, lack of power, or any other of the advantages Canelo has to have. They haven't CONSTANTLY outweighed their opposition by 20-30 pounds. They haven't picked off the Rocky Fieldings of the world to collect worthless trinkets. They haven't stuck to their own neighborhood with bought judges and commissions. They haven't had boxing orgs invent belts just for them.

It's all out there for everyone to see. Except, however........ for the followers.

did rey vargas and julio martinez get away with breaking the rules? we can go back and forth all day, but you can't accept the truth

i'm just stating that other middles are not willing to do what canelo did, and even artur and bivol failed to fight kov. not every fighter has to clean out a division, loma is an example of a fighter moving up without doing so, if you are going to continue to hate on canelo, while not acknowledging the same acts other fighters are doing over and over let me know..... so I can cut-paste my responses

not it was a canelo who had to accept a catchweight and cut extra pounds. do you want fighters taking on the biggest challenges or not? there is no shame in losing to the best fighter at the time, if you have a problem with the judges score take it up with them

is it true or not that canelo fights away from his home country? are you another one that can't accept the truth? only a troll would argue against the truth

you keep stating that canelo's career has been a well-orchestrated, protected, sham from the very beginning, but keep failing to acknowledge the fights i mention. was the trout a well-orchestrated, protected, sham? was floyd? was lara? is ggg too old for anyone to fight now? what about jacobs? i guess no one should fight kov again either

i feel canelo has earned his way to the top and i stated that his record is one of the best currently around the weight. canelo turned pro at a young age. how many fights did wilder have before fighting a live body? i have already proved that canelo has fought fighters in their prime, and he hasn't always held a weight advantage, i have already said that power isn't everything in boxing, as floyd proved. every fighter has gimmes on their record, i have no interest in belts. you should take up your issues with the judges and commisions. if the wbc want to create belts that is up to them

i like what canelo has been doing since the trout fight, i don't agree with everything but he is making and providing some great fights. no one is forcing you to like canelo, but i like him as a boxer

[TitoFan]

did rey vargas and julio martinez get away with breaking the rules? we can go back and forth all day, but you can't accept the truth

Regurgitation. The first sign of someone who's lost the argument and is reduced to repeating the other side's phrases.

i'm just stating that other middles are not willing to do what canelo did, and even artur and bivol failed to fight kov. not every fighter has to clean out a division, loma is an example of a fighter moving up without doing so, if you are going to continue to hate on canelo, while not acknowledging the same acts other fighters are doing over and over let me know..... so I can cut-paste my responses

Ditto. Are you going to hold your breath till you turn blue also?

not it was a canelo who had to accept a catchweight and cut extra pounds. do you want fighters taking on the biggest challenges or not? there is no shame in losing to the best fighter at the time, if you have a problem with the judges score take it up with them

is it true or not that canelo fights away from his home country? are you another one that can't accept the truth? only a troll would argue against the truth

You know what I mean here. I'm not spelling it out for you like some child.

you keep stating that canelo's career has been a well-orchestrated, protected, sham from the very beginning, but keep failing to acknowledge the fights i mention. was the trout a well-orchestrated, protected, sham? was floyd? was lara? is ggg too old for anyone to fight now? what about jacobs? i guess no one should fight kov again either

i feel canelo has earned his way to the top and i stated that his record is one of the best currently around the weight. canelo turned pro at a young age. how many fights did wilder have before fighting a live body? i have already proved that canelo has fought fighters in their prime, and he hasn't always held a weight advantage, i have already said that power isn't everything in boxing, as floyd proved. every fighter has gimmes on their record, i have no interest in belts. you should take up your issues with the judges and commisions. if the wbc want to create belts that is up to them

i like what canelo has been doing since the trout fight, i don't agree with everything but he is making and providing some great fights. no one is forcing you to like canelo, but i like him as a boxer

You've already been slammed dunked every which way but continue to plow forward. Plow ahead.

You can like him as a boxer all you like, but his career has still been manufactured.

'Nough said.

[TitoFan]

[TIC]

did rey vargas and julio martinez get away with breaking the rules? we can go back and forth all day, but you can't accept the truth

Regurgitation. The first sign of someone who's lost the argument and is reduced to repeating the other side's phrases.

i'm just stating that other middles are not willing to do what canelo did, and even artur and bivol failed to fight kov. not every fighter has to clean out a division, loma is an example of a fighter moving up without doing so, if you are going to continue to hate on canelo, while not acknowledging the same acts other fighters are doing over and over let me know..... so I can cut-paste my responses

Ditto. Are you going to hold your breath till you turn blue also?

not it was a canelo who had to accept a catchweight and cut extra pounds. do you want fighters taking on the biggest challenges or not? there is no shame in losing to the best fighter at the time, if you have a problem with the judges score take it up with them

is it true or not that canelo fights away from his home country? are you another one that can't accept the truth? only a troll would argue against the truth

You know what I mean here. I'm not spelling it out for you like some child.

you keep stating that canelo's career has been a well-orchestrated, protected, sham from the very beginning, but keep failing to acknowledge the fights i mention. was the trout a well-orchestrated, protected, sham? was floyd? was lara? is ggg too old for anyone to fight now? what about jacobs? i guess no one should fight kov again either

i feel canelo has earned his way to the top and i stated that his record is one of the best currently around the weight. canelo turned pro at a young age. how many fights did wilder have before fighting a live body? i have already proved that canelo has fought fighters in their prime, and he hasn't always held a weight advantage, i have already said that power isn't everything in boxing, as floyd proved. every fighter has gimmes on their record, i have no interest in belts. you should take up your issues with the judges and commisions. if the wbc want to create belts that is up to them

i like what canelo has been doing since the trout fight, i don't agree with everything but he is making and providing some great fights. no one is forcing you to like canelo, but i like him as a boxer

You've already been slammed dunked every which way but continue to plow forward. Plow ahead.

You can like him as a boxer all you like, but his career has still been manufactured.

'Nough said.

you said most fighters can't get away with it, i provided two fighters among many who got off better than canelo, two guys you have never said peep about. your response was to avoid this truth

another truth is the current crop of top middles and artur and bivol did not choose to fight this so called weak deer kov and i provided loma as an example of a fighter who also hasn't cleaned out divisions, your response was to avoid this truth once again

it is also true that canelo fights outside his home country, again you chose to avoid the truth

you are playing the wrong sport as it is you that has been slammed by the truth

i'll just put it down to jealousy of the legend that canelo is becoming

[TitoFan]

Put it down however you like. I just hope you and your also hypnotized brethren snap out of it before the Pied Piper "flutes" you right off the cliff.

[Alpha]

Tito is a little harsh with the protected stuff and weak opponents that Alvarez has fought. Yea there are some cupcakes in there, but he has fought a good number of ranked fighters in or around there prime.

He gets credit from me for taking those fights like Trout who was unbeaten and highly rated when they fought, and he then went straight into the Mayweather fight. He arguably lost both those fights, so his record could easily have 2 losses at that point.

He was abysmal against Mayweather Jr, but he took on the best challenge possible. Another loss.

Angulo and Lara did come back to back, and after their fight I can give Alvarez a pass for taking Angulo first, but the Lara fight is another one that could easily be another loss.

Kirkland, Cotto, Khan, Smith and Chavez Jr, only Cotto is worth mentioning, and he is a decent name to have on Alvarez’ record, albeit a little overdone and long in the tooth.

He faced Golovkin twice but could have lost both fights, so his record after those fights could have 6 losses.

Fielding was a worthless fight and did nothing to enhance his record.

I think Jacobs was another excellent opponent and Alvarez defeated him clearer than both Golovkin and Derevyanchenko came close to doing.

Kovalev was on the wrong side of the slope and I am disappointed with the rehydration clause that was kept secret until last minute, so that dampens the victory for me, although I must admit had one of the other Light-Heavyweight Champs signed to fight Kovalev I probably would have been all for it, but we wouldn’t have had a rehydration clause hanging over a unification.

So, Alvarez has definitely fought good opposition and that’s where he gets all the credit from me, but without the favourable calls and advantages he could have already lost 6 times, and if some of those losses had occurred, he may not have been in the position he found himself in, where his team was able to call the shots, this may have lead to further loses, we’ll never know.

Any fighter that tests positive for PEDs always gets a black mark next to their name for me. But I can only really go on this fights or tests they failed. I think most top athletes are on some kind of gear these days and until there are consistent tests and punishments handed out things will never improve.

[powerpuncher]

Tito is a little harsh with the protected stuff and weak opponents that Alvarez has fought. Yea there are some cupcakes in there, but he has fought a good number of ranked fighters in or around there prime.

He gets credit from me for taking those fights like Trout who was unbeaten and highly rated when they fought, and he then went straight into the Mayweather fight. He arguably lost both those fights, so his record could easily have 2 losses at that point.

He was abysmal against Mayweather Jr, but he took on the best challenge possible. Another loss.

Angulo and Lara did come back to back, and after their fight I can give Alvarez a pass for taking Angulo first, but the Lara fight is another one that could easily be another loss.

Kirkland, Cotto, Khan, Smith and Chavez Jr, only Cotto is worth mentioning, and he is a decent name to have on Alvarez’ record, albeit a little overdone and long in the tooth.

He faced Golovkin twice but could have lost both fights, so his record after those fights could have 6 losses.

Fielding was a worthless fight and did nothing to enhance his record.

I think Jacobs was another excellent opponent and Alvarez defeated him clearer than both Golovkin and Derevyanchenko came close to doing.

Kovalev was on the wrong side of the slope and I am disappointed with the rehydration clause that was kept secret until last minute, so that dampens the victory for me, although I must admit had one of the other Light-Heavyweight Champs signed to fight Kovalev I probably would have been all for it, but we wouldn’t have had a rehydration clause hanging over a unification.

So, Alvarez has definitely fought good opposition and that’s where he gets all the credit from me, but without the favourable calls and advantages he could have already lost 6 times, and if some of those losses had occurred, he may not have been in the position he found himself in, where his team was able to call the shots, this may have lead to further loses, we’ll never know.

Any fighter that tests positive for PEDs always gets a black mark next to their name for me. But I can only really go on this fights or tests they failed. I think most top athletes are on some kind of gear these days and until there are consistent tests and punishments handed out things will never improve.

I agree. He does have good names on his record, but you need to know the background of some of those wins. I give him the most credit for the Jacobs win because it’s his one decisive win against a good opponent. Because of his fame, he has been forced to take certain fights, but they are always on his time and his terms.

[TitoFan]

Tito is a little harsh with the protected stuff and weak opponents that Alvarez has fought. Yea there are some cupcakes in there, but he has fought a good number of ranked fighters in or around there prime.

He gets credit from me for taking those fights like Trout who was unbeaten and highly rated when they fought, and he then went straight into the Mayweather fight. He arguably lost both those fights, so his record could easily have 2 losses at that point.

He was abysmal against Mayweather Jr, but he took on the best challenge possible. Another loss.

Angulo and Lara did come back to back, and after their fight I can give Alvarez a pass for taking Angulo first, but the Lara fight is another one that could easily be another loss.

Kirkland, Cotto, Khan, Smith and Chavez Jr, only Cotto is worth mentioning, and he is a decent name to have on Alvarez’ record, albeit a little overdone and long in the tooth.

He faced Golovkin twice but could have lost both fights, so his record after those fights could have 6 losses.

Fielding was a worthless fight and did nothing to enhance his record.

I think Jacobs was another excellent opponent and Alvarez defeated him clearer than both Golovkin and Derevyanchenko came close to doing.

Kovalev was on the wrong side of the slope and I am disappointed with the rehydration clause that was kept secret until last minute, so that dampens the victory for me, although I must admit had one of the other Light-Heavyweight Champs signed to fight Kovalev I probably would have been all for it, but we wouldn’t have had a rehydration clause hanging over a unification.

So, Alvarez has definitely fought good opposition and that’s where he gets all the credit from me, but without the favourable calls and advantages he could have already lost 6 times, and if some of those losses had occurred, he may not have been in the position he found himself in, where his team was able to call the shots, this may have lead to further loses, we’ll never know.

Any fighter that tests positive for PEDs always gets a black mark next to their name for me. But I can only really go on this fights or tests they failed. I think most top athletes are on some kind of gear these days and until there are consistent tests and punishments handed out things will never improve.

I agree. He does have good names on his record, but you need to know the background of some of those wins. I give him the most credit for the Jacobs win because it’s his one decisive win against a good opponent. Because of his fame, he has been forced to take certain fights, but they are always on his time and his terms.

I give him credit for some fights also. But it's the whole package when you view it as a whole, combined with the way this package is swallowed by some, including many casuals. If you take the fights individually, sure.... there's little to criticize about an opponent like Trout at the time. Jacobs is another example. But other than that, he's been a wildly successful boxing marketing experiment.... with everything around him conspiring in his favor.

The start of his career cannot be denied. It was manufactured and even fellow countryman JCC Sr. had quite a bit of criticism about that. Unlike other fighters, who plow ahead undefeated records be damned (and get no favors from anybody)..... Canelo's greatness was preordained from the very beginning.

It's THIS dog and pony show that I object to.

Sometimes it's not so much the fighter, as it is everything else around him. What it does is magnify any criticism I may have of Canelo himself.

Human nature.