Cooking the Books on Covid-19?

[Gandalf]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

[TIC]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?

[Gandalf]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?

I believe it is infectious, but with so few cases now, the need for masks is almost over. I think it is contagious and for some very risky, but I do not fear for myself. It is hard to get infected if nobody has it.

[TIC]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?

I believe it is infectious, but with so few cases now, the need for masks is almost over. I think it is contagious and for some very risky, but I do not fear for myself. It is hard to get infected if nobody has it.

thank you for answering honestly. so you believe the mask will stop it infecting you or just prolong you getting infected?

[Gandalf]

I think masking up reduces your ability to transmit or get a virus. We use masks in all kinds of areas be it medicine, dentistry, and others. Even during the Spanish Flu period people were masked up. It makes sense to try and block virus transmission. However, if you are leaving your eyes uncovered too, then you are not considering all eventualities.

[TIC]

I think masking up reduces your ability to transmit or get a virus. We use masks in all kinds of areas be it medicine, dentistry, and others. Even during the Spanish Flu period people were masked up. It makes sense to try and block virus transmission. However, if you are leaving your eyes uncovered too, then you are not considering all eventualities.

i'm glad you brought up the eyes, would a virus also not be small enough to travel through a mask? also if covid 19 was real would it not be better for someone like yourself, who sounds in pretty good health & age to get it & recover from it?

[Gandalf]

It seems to be about the amount of the virus. If you get a full splash of pure energetic sneeze, then without a mask, you are absorbing much of that. I think the mask helps, but still particles will get through and if your eyes are slightly above and wide open, then you are still getting hit with it.

That's a fair question about getting it, so I would argue that recovering from a small amount is probably easier than recovering from a heavy splash. It's like with a hangover, why drink 3 bottles of wine when a glass will suffice? Sure you can build up good tolerance with the heavy drinking, but it probably isn't much fun.

You never quite know, I may have had it and not known, but I certainly don't make any song or dance about being sicker than ever before like some as I have not been sick. I mentioned being around sick, sneezy people a lot and I haven't got sick, but that doesn't mean I have not been hit with their particles. It is just that my body did not respond to them.

[TitoFan]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

I apologize if I grouped you and TIC together. Clearly the bolded statement is something TIC would never say.

It's a bit of a fine line between believing something and trying to shove your beliefs at others. And that door swings both ways.

[TIC]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

I apologize if I grouped you and TIC together. Clearly the bolded statement is something TIC would never say.

It's a bit of a fine line between believing something and trying to shove your beliefs at others. And that door swings both ways.

you highlighted part of the second paragraph, i have been saying that from the beginning. they have made healthy people afraid of healthy people