Erickson Lubin v Terrell Gausha on Showtime

[Yuzo]

It was still a weak, tentative right hand. Unusual for Marciano who threw his punches with conviction. Basically pulled up on the punch and assumed a defensive position. Yeah... probably because he knew he was fighting Archie Moore.

however hard you threw your right hand, when you missed, you'd bring your forearm over your face and cover up.



that was one of the prevailing customs you'd see from the fighters back then but its just another relic now. it is the only thing that will stop you from falling onto a counter right uppercut. that was true then and i think its still true now.

[TitoFan]

It was still a weak, tentative right hand. Unusual for Marciano who threw his punches with conviction. Basically pulled up on the punch and assumed a defensive position. Yeah... probably because he knew he was fighting Archie Moore.

however hard you threw your right hand, when you missed, you'd bring your forearm over your face and cover up.



that was one of the prevailing customs you'd see from the fighters back then but its just another relic now. it is the only thing that will stop you from falling onto a counter right uppercut. that was true then and i think its still true now.

Difference being the opponent in this latest gif is going completely backward. In no time was the puncher in danger of getting countered. In the Forbes example, he "textbooked" the defense... then threw a perfectly timed uppercut that would've gotten to the mark even had Sanched tried to cover his chin with his right hand after throwing the punch.

[Yuzo]

Difference being the opponent in this latest gif is going completely backward. In no time was the puncher in danger of getting countered. In the Forbes example, he "textbooked" the defense... then threw a perfectly timed uppercut that would've gotten to the mark even had Sanched tried to cover his chin with his right hand after throwing the punch.

i wanted to show you how fast you can bring your forearm over your face to cover up since you can do that much quicker than you are implying.

[TitoFan]

Difference being the opponent in this latest gif is going completely backward. In no time was the puncher in danger of getting countered. In the Forbes example, he "textbooked" the defense... then threw a perfectly timed uppercut that would've gotten to the mark even had Sanched tried to cover his chin with his right hand after throwing the punch.

i wanted to show you how fast you can bring your forearm over your face to cover up since you can do that much quicker than you are implying.

Put a clock on the Forbes-Sanchez gif and measure the time between the Sanchez miss and the Forbes counter.

Something else to consider is the physics of the punch Sanchez threw. He threw the punch with conviction. Meaning the follow through was a bit long. Forbes expertly remained close enough to where the uppercut was right there.

If you could slow down the action, you'd see the upper connects even before Sanchez's right hand has finished its follow through.

The only way Sanchez could've mimicked the glove-to-chin defense you keep mentioning would've been to cut the right hand short, which would've reduced its intended impact.

He would've been braking the right hand in order to have time to block his chin.

[Yuzo]

i think youre exaggerating how much time it takes to bring up your glove.



you can throw your right hand with follow through and conviction and still get your glove up pretty quick. your arm doesnt really have to travel very much.

[TitoFan]

i think youre exaggerating how much time it takes to bring up your glove.



you can throw your right hand with follow through and conviction and still get your glove up pretty quick. your arm doesnt really have to travel very much.

Right. Another clip where the counter takes a month to arrive.

Hey no issues. I stand by my opinion. Instead of saying Sanchez had enough time to get his right hand under his chin... I prefer to commend Forbes for a picture-perfect right uppercut counter.

Sanchez was perfectly placed (for Forbes) at the end of his punch... he had committed... and hadn't even brought his right hand all the way back when Forbes connected.

Every other video you've posted the opponent was either walking straight back, or took their time throwing their own counter. Of course the arm-across-the-chin defense will work.

Most of the time I agree with your technical breakdowns, but this time I don't. No big deal.

[TitoFan]

In that last video clip, Forbes counter upper would've still arrived before the guy's glove was tucked under his chin.

Timing.

[Yuzo]

Right. Another clip where the counter takes a month to arrive.

Hey no issues. I stand by my opinion. Instead of saying Sanchez had enough time to get his right hand under his chin... I prefer to commend Forbes for a picture-perfect right uppercut counter.

Sanchez was perfectly placed (for Forbes) at the end of his punch... he had committed... and hadn't even brought his right hand all the way back when Forbes connected.

Every other video you've posted the opponent was either walking straight back, or took their time throwing their own counter. Of course the arm-across-the-chin defense will work.

Most of the time I agree with your technical breakdowns, but this time I don't. No big deal.

you might be right. but when you miss a right hand, there is a moment for your arm to recoil back and stop that counter, and thats good, because that takes just a moment to do.

when abreu got hit, i thought he probably ought to have caught that right uppercut.



the shoulder roll is your cue here that when you miss, that counter may be coming back at you. its a good precaution if it doesnt, and it stops you from getting hit by it if it does.