Name a time in history it was the good guys banning books

[Gandalf]

I have been more than honest. You just do not know this part of the world. This is normal Asian culture. Costumes, head wear, then after some rice eaten with chopsticks. Natural and normal Oriental features.

So do you have a problem with their culture? Looks a bit like the cartoon right? You seem keen to silence anyone who says caricaturing what really is out there is somehow naughty. I just think that is odd.

http://cyberus.ca/~gcraigs/wedding.jpg

[Beanz]

I have been more than honest. You just do not know this part of the world. This is normal Asian culture. Costumes, head wear, then after some rice eaten with chopsticks. Natural and normal Oriental features.

So do you have a problem with their culture? Looks a bit like the cartoon right? You seem keen to silence anyone who says caricaturing what really is out there is somehow naughty. I just think that is odd.

http://cyberus.ca/~gcraigs/wedding.jpg

Except you haven't have you?

Dr Seuss was obviously less informed about Asian Culture than I am but not telling anybody to ban his books or making up lies to support that assertion. None of those books have been banned. They are just not being reprinted.

And no, the photograph you sent a link to has absolutely no relationship to a white bloke with a gun standing on three Chinese blokes heads, or a black fella in a grass skirt with a bone through his nose. You are just being dishonest in order to attribute importance to something you think vindicates your own myopic view of the world.

And fuck right off out of here with the "Keen to silence" lies.

Look at the racist bullshit that is allowed to fly here, year in year out.

Ban Immigrants.

Ban the Bhurka

Ban the LGBT crowd

'Cure' 'Liberalism'

Ban protesting

Ban' Leftism'

What do you think those attitudes are really about ?

They are about silencing others.

They are about claiming to have the right to be purposefully and repeatedly provocative and offensive, but to then either threaten, or campaign behind people's backs to have posters like myself banned from the forum, when this is pointed out to them.

If you really cared about censorship and freedom of speech you would speak out against those kind of things, but instead you either remain silent or join in with the bullies and the bigots.

This whole thread is built on the false assertions of a shit stirring bullshitter pretending that something happened, that actually didn't.

[Gandalf]

I have been more than honest. You just do not know this part of the world. This is normal Asian culture. Costumes, head wear, then after some rice eaten with chopsticks. Natural and normal Oriental features.

So do you have a problem with their culture? Looks a bit like the cartoon right? You seem keen to silence anyone who says caricaturing what really is out there is somehow naughty. I just think that is odd.

http://cyberus.ca/~gcraigs/wedding.jpg

Except you haven't have you?

Dr Seuss was obviously less informed about Asian Culture than I am but not telling anybody to ban his books or making up lies to support that assertion. None of those books have been banned. They are just not being reprinted.

And no, the photograph you sent a link to has absolutely no relationship to a white bloke with a gun standing on three Chinese blokes heads, or a black fella in a grass skirt with a bone through his nose. You are just being dishonest in order to attribute importance to something you think vindicates your own myopic view of the world.

And fuck right off out of here with the "Keen to silence" lies.

Look at the racist bullshit that is allowed to fly here, year in year out.

Ban Immigrants.

Ban the Bhurka

Ban the LGBT crowd

'Cure' 'Liberalism'

Ban protesting

Ban' Leftism'

What do you think those attitudes are really about ?

They are about silencing others.

They are about claiming to have the right to be purposefully and repeatedly provocative and offensive, but to then either threaten, or campaign behind people's backs to have posters like myself banned from the forum, when this is pointed out to them.

If you really cared about censorship and freedom of speech you would speak out against those kind of things, but instead you either remain silent or join in with the bullies and the bigots.

This whole thread is built on the false assertions of a shit stirring bullshitter pretending that something happened, that actually didn't.

Right, I am at a computer so will address this properly.

1. Dr. Seuss was less informed about Asian culture than you? Hmm, bold claim. I have worked in schools and seen kids reading comic books with characters that look like this. Kind of normal. You know that, right? All Asian created by Asians. Daft racists, right?

2. The books are being silenced and for seemingly being 'offensive' and 'racist'. They seem to be rather benign, but are indeed being silenced.

3. I have no idea what these images you speak of are, but now you have brought this up have you never seen a black man with a bone through the nose. How is that racist? I thought you were versed in Asian cultures? How is a white man standing on 3 Chinese heads racist? Should he be standing on white heads? Would that be better for you? Of course it would be nice to not stand on heads, but the world is not always peaceful. Asians even do bad things to other Asians as evidenced by history.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...en-tribes.html

4. Then you jump onto a list of non related topics. Okay, let's take migration and it being about 'silencing others'. Silencing who? You do realize that mass immigration has been going on against the will of the populace for decades (check the polling since the 1960's) with anyone speaking out described as.....racist. Who is doing the silencing on this? It is the media. Then on here people like you with the constant 'racism' angle.

5. I believe in freedom of speech 100% as argued by Chomsky here.



Even if a view is racist or denies the holocaust, I do not deny that freedom. I would rather it discussed openly. I am an absolutist in that regard. I remember once wondering why Twitter did not ban Trump, but only because I knew he was breaking their rules. Do I think he has the right to voice those views in general? Of course. I think you are as mad as a hatter sometimes, but you can voice yourself and in turn I can either respond or walk away. You can too as can too as seen in your 24 hour long attempt to leave. That made me chuckle.

[Gandalf]

My last sentence does not really make any sense.

[Beanz]

My last sentence does not really make any sense.

You entire argument makes no sense it is just 100% whatabouttery and evasion.

This is a thread set up on the premise and assertion that the example of a private company deciding not to reprint 6 children's books from a series of 39 was an example of not only someone banning books, but also evidence that the people doing so were not good guys.

Is that true?

What it really boils down to is that you as usual think you know better. You think you are the expert and everything should therefore be run by you.

It doesn't matter if you go and ask a million Asians if they are offended or not by the pictures because it isn't your company or decision to make. Whether the publisher made that decision based on a genuine wish not to cause unnecessary offense, to avoid litigation, to appeal more to a certain demographic, or simply because they thought financially they would in the long run sell more books (which seems to have happened) they are not the government and are not banning anything.

Nobody is disputing your knowledge of South Korea and it's culture but that doesn't by extension mean everybody else is ignorant and naive about Asians. Asians are humans first and will differ massively across socio-economic, geographic and cultural and religious lines and so nobody can pretend to speak for all of them.

When they are part of a minority in another country though things are undoubtedly different and stereotypes and cliches, while obviously reflecting some truthful observations, should be able to be challenged over time. That is how culture works, it is not this static dead thing you seem to want to make it into. A turgid decaying corpulent immovable fetid mass that has all vitality and potential to evolve removed.

Where were you in 1981? Were you even born? It might seem irrelevant but that was the first time I met and stayed with my Asian step Mother and started JuJutsu, learning from her student lodger over from Hong Kong. That was way before cultural appropriation was a thing, and I thought Bruce Lee, Origami and the amazing food were pretty cool things to adopt despite that probably being considered the opposite to what they are by some idiots today.

My old man had met his new wife after living and studying in the Solomon Islands for a couple years. As an Anthropologist he lived with tribes who had in their past been cannibals, and so no, the one thing i learned pretty early on was to not have a problem with other people's culture purely because it was different to mine.



FFS man it is like Groundhog Day with you sometimes.

[Gandalf]

So on the basis of your logic I must now ask Pixar to stop portraying lanky cowboys with round eyes and pointy noses because as a minority in a country who is compared to such a stereotype it is insidious and ignores that white people can have small eyes, bulging bellies, and orange skin too.

Bonkers. It is basically a self ban and I know about those.

[Gandalf]

I have never read a Seuss book. I read good books like Bad Vibes by Luke Haines. Evil books are what I am into. Any man that jumps 15 feet in the dark and breaks his legs is automatically on my list of legends. Leg-ends.

[Gandalf]

These are apparently the pulled images, so what are you talking about? What images are you talking about? Clearly something different. Show your information.

https://nationalpost.com/entertainme...ooks-cancelled

Will you please stop doing the whataboutery and dancing onto other topics too. Not relevant.

[Gandalf]

My own myopic view of the world? You need to look in a mirror. I just do not consider a kids book of its time to be harmful and neither do other Asians I have shown the images to.

You are not versed in Asian cultures. Lol.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

He wants to split hairs about banned vs no longer printed, its the same damn effect isnt it. WE're talking EFFECT here. Thats all that matters.