Who’s had the vaccine ? Side effects ?

[Kirkland Laing]

fear

https://www.ajmc.com/view/the-effect...persons-health

All the people currently in hospital around the world being treated for the virus are in there with something that doesn't exist?

can you tell me how you know there's a virus?

Neither of us have any kind of medical training or sophisticated knowledge about viruses. We have to go on the evidence as we see it.

On one side of this question about whether the virus exists or not are thousands of the world's top epidemiologists, virologists, medical experts, hundreds of thousands of doctors and millions of healthcare professionals not to mention millions of dead bodies and tens of millions of people who have had the virus.

On the other side are a small bunch of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people on the internet claiming with zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist. Surely considering the preponderance of evidence on one side of the argument and the complete lack of evidence on the other side it should be up to the nutters to provide some evidence that the virus doesn't exist and the whole thing is some kind of conspiracy?

none of what you have posted states how you know there is a virus. you are stating something is real & i am asking you to tell me how you know this to be true. we both know you can't but you can't admit that. you only have a belief

Neither of us have any kind of qualification or expertise in virology or epidemiology and neither of us have access to any of the various healthcare and disease control systems around the world that are dealing with this virus so neither of us have any actual personally attested evidence that the virus does or does not exist.

We only have observable reality.

On my side of the argument are thousands of virologists and epidemiologists, tens of thousands of doctors and medical specialists and millions of dead people killed by the virus along with tens of millions of people infected by it. The wealth of evidence that the virus exists is incontrovertible. It would be impossible to construct a conspiracy so elaborate and so we can say that there is literally no other explanation for the events of the past eighteen months other than the fact that the virus exists. The fact that the virus does exist is basically an uncontested fact among all political stripes and ideologies worldwide, even among the vast majority of American conservatives.

On your side of the argument are a small number of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people who insist while offering zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist.

Res ipsa loquitur.

[TIC]

fear

https://www.ajmc.com/view/the-effect...persons-health

All the people currently in hospital around the world being treated for the virus are in there with something that doesn't exist?

can you tell me how you know there's a virus?

Neither of us have any kind of medical training or sophisticated knowledge about viruses. We have to go on the evidence as we see it.

On one side of this question about whether the virus exists or not are thousands of the world's top epidemiologists, virologists, medical experts, hundreds of thousands of doctors and millions of healthcare professionals not to mention millions of dead bodies and tens of millions of people who have had the virus.

On the other side are a small bunch of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people on the internet claiming with zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist. Surely considering the preponderance of evidence on one side of the argument and the complete lack of evidence on the other side it should be up to the nutters to provide some evidence that the virus doesn't exist and the whole thing is some kind of conspiracy?

none of what you have posted states how you know there is a virus. you are stating something is real & i am asking you to tell me how you know this to be true. we both know you can't but you can't admit that. you only have a belief

Neither of us have any kind of qualification or expertise in virology or epidemiology and neither of us have access to any of the various healthcare and disease control systems around the world that are dealing with this virus so neither of us have any actual personally attested evidence that the virus does or does not exist.

We only have observable reality.

On my side of the argument are thousands of virologists and epidemiologists, tens of thousands of doctors and medical specialists and millions of dead people killed by the virus along with tens of millions of people infected by it. The wealth of evidence that the virus exists is incontrovertible. It would be impossible to construct a conspiracy so elaborate and so we can say that there is literally no other explanation for the events of the past eighteen months other than the fact that the virus exists. The fact that the virus does exist is basically an uncontested fact among all political stripes and ideologies worldwide, even among the vast majority of American conservatives.

On your side of the argument are a small number of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people who insist while offering zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist.

Res ipsa loquitur.

so you admit you don't know & are just happy to believe. there is no fact that the virus exists because you would be able to tell me how you know that is true

[TitoFan]

At this point I just find it amazing that anyone here still gives a flying fuck WHAT this dude believes or doesn't believe.

Again... when Alpha was spouting his flat Earth doctrine all over the forum... I initially tried using reason and logic. When I saw it was fruitless and the same comebacks were being regurgitated over and over again... I switched to "poking fun" mode. Yeah, it got hot for awhile... but eventually I just left him for incorrigible. These people aren't searching for truth... just ATTENTION.

Contrary to what some may think, this guy isn't an Alpha alt. Alpha was hard-headed... but he didn't insult people.

But in all this, what continues to bug me is how these non-believers, anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, etc. are imposing their will on the rest of the population by attacking others, and attempting to shut down vaccination facilities.

Boils down to the same shit as other issues. Believe what you want... just don't force your warped fantasies on me.

[TIC]

At this point I just find it amazing that anyone here still gives a flying fuck WHAT this dude believes or doesn't believe.

Again... when Alpha was spouting his flat Earth doctrine all over the forum... I initially tried using reason and logic. When I saw it was fruitless and the same comebacks were being regurgitated over and over again... I switched to "poking fun" mode. Yeah, it got hot for awhile... but eventually I just left him for incorrigible. These people aren't searching for truth... just ATTENTION.

Contrary to what some may think, this guy isn't an Alpha alt. Alpha was hard-headed... but he didn't insult people.

But in all this, what continues to bug me is how these non-believers, anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, etc. are imposing their will on the rest of the population by attacking others, and attempting to shut down vaccination facilities.

Boils down to the same shit as other issues. Believe what you want... just don't force your warped fantasies on me.

i'm the one asking for others to prove what they believe is true. what restrictions have i forced on peoples lives?

[TitoFan]

At this point I just find it amazing that anyone here still gives a flying fuck WHAT this dude believes or doesn't believe.

Again... when Alpha was spouting his flat Earth doctrine all over the forum... I initially tried using reason and logic. When I saw it was fruitless and the same comebacks were being regurgitated over and over again... I switched to "poking fun" mode. Yeah, it got hot for awhile... but eventually I just left him for incorrigible. These people aren't searching for truth... just ATTENTION.

Contrary to what some may think, this guy isn't an Alpha alt. Alpha was hard-headed... but he didn't insult people.

But in all this, what continues to bug me is how these non-believers, anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, etc. are imposing their will on the rest of the population by attacking others, and attempting to shut down vaccination facilities.

Boils down to the same shit as other issues. Believe what you want... just don't force your warped fantasies on me.

i'm the one asking for others to prove what they believe is true. what restrictions have i forced on peoples lives?

Who's forcing you to wear masks or get shots? So far as I know, no one has tackled you to the ground... pinned you down... and gave you a vaccine against your will.

Now as for business owners having the right to deny entry or service to unmasked or unvaccinated people... that is their right as business owners. You of course, are free to go elsewhere.

What restrictions have you forced? Maybe none personally. But people with your beliefs are harrassing/attacking people wearing masks, as well as attempting to shut down vaccination sites.

[Kirkland Laing]

fear

https://www.ajmc.com/view/the-effect...persons-health

All the people currently in hospital around the world being treated for the virus are in there with something that doesn't exist?

can you tell me how you know there's a virus?

Neither of us have any kind of medical training or sophisticated knowledge about viruses. We have to go on the evidence as we see it.

On one side of this question about whether the virus exists or not are thousands of the world's top epidemiologists, virologists, medical experts, hundreds of thousands of doctors and millions of healthcare professionals not to mention millions of dead bodies and tens of millions of people who have had the virus.

On the other side are a small bunch of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people on the internet claiming with zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist. Surely considering the preponderance of evidence on one side of the argument and the complete lack of evidence on the other side it should be up to the nutters to provide some evidence that the virus doesn't exist and the whole thing is some kind of conspiracy?

none of what you have posted states how you know there is a virus. you are stating something is real & i am asking you to tell me how you know this to be true. we both know you can't but you can't admit that. you only have a belief

Neither of us have any kind of qualification or expertise in virology or epidemiology and neither of us have access to any of the various healthcare and disease control systems around the world that are dealing with this virus so neither of us have any actual personally attested evidence that the virus does or does not exist.

We only have observable reality.

On my side of the argument are thousands of virologists and epidemiologists, tens of thousands of doctors and medical specialists and millions of dead people killed by the virus along with tens of millions of people infected by it. The wealth of evidence that the virus exists is incontrovertible. It would be impossible to construct a conspiracy so elaborate and so we can say that there is literally no other explanation for the events of the past eighteen months other than the fact that the virus exists. The fact that the virus does exist is basically an uncontested fact among all political stripes and ideologies worldwide, even among the vast majority of American conservatives.

On your side of the argument are a small number of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people who insist while offering zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist.

Res ipsa loquitur.

so you admit you don't know & are just happy to believe. there is no fact that the virus exists because you would be able to tell me how you know that is true

I do know that the virus exists. I'm saying that I don't have the physical proof that it exists in my hand. Even if I did and I was in a position to give you the physical proof you wouldn't be able to understand it.

The virus does indeed exist. We have isolated it and genetically sequenced it. We literally know its DNA. We have tested hundreds of millions of humans over the past year and a half and found that tens of millions of them have been infected with a virus with the exact genetic sequence of SARS CoV-2. This exact virus has killed millions of these infected humans. These are unarguable facts.

The only people disputing these facts are a collection of halfwits and/or crazy people. If you think you can dispute these clear and unambiguous facts then go right ahead.

[TIC]

fear

https://www.ajmc.com/view/the-effect...persons-health

All the people currently in hospital around the world being treated for the virus are in there with something that doesn't exist?

can you tell me how you know there's a virus?

Neither of us have any kind of medical training or sophisticated knowledge about viruses. We have to go on the evidence as we see it.

On one side of this question about whether the virus exists or not are thousands of the world's top epidemiologists, virologists, medical experts, hundreds of thousands of doctors and millions of healthcare professionals not to mention millions of dead bodies and tens of millions of people who have had the virus.

On the other side are a small bunch of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people on the internet claiming with zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist. Surely considering the preponderance of evidence on one side of the argument and the complete lack of evidence on the other side it should be up to the nutters to provide some evidence that the virus doesn't exist and the whole thing is some kind of conspiracy?

none of what you have posted states how you know there is a virus. you are stating something is real & i am asking you to tell me how you know this to be true. we both know you can't but you can't admit that. you only have a belief

Neither of us have any kind of qualification or expertise in virology or epidemiology and neither of us have access to any of the various healthcare and disease control systems around the world that are dealing with this virus so neither of us have any actual personally attested evidence that the virus does or does not exist.

We only have observable reality.

On my side of the argument are thousands of virologists and epidemiologists, tens of thousands of doctors and medical specialists and millions of dead people killed by the virus along with tens of millions of people infected by it. The wealth of evidence that the virus exists is incontrovertible. It would be impossible to construct a conspiracy so elaborate and so we can say that there is literally no other explanation for the events of the past eighteen months other than the fact that the virus exists. The fact that the virus does exist is basically an uncontested fact among all political stripes and ideologies worldwide, even among the vast majority of American conservatives.

On your side of the argument are a small number of terminally stupid and/or mentally ill people who insist while offering zero evidence that the virus doesn't exist.

Res ipsa loquitur.

so you admit you don't know & are just happy to believe. there is no fact that the virus exists because you would be able to tell me how you know that is true

I do know that the virus exists. I'm saying that I don't have the physical proof that it exists in my hand. Even if I did and I was in a position to give you the physical proof you wouldn't be able to understand it.

The virus does indeed exist. We have isolated it and genetically sequenced it. We literally know its DNA. We have tested hundreds of millions of humans over the past year and a half and found that tens of millions of them have been infected with a virus with the exact genetic sequence of SARS CoV-2. This exact virus has killed millions of these infected humans. These are unarguable facts.

The only people disputing these facts are a collection of halfwits and/or crazy people. If you think you can dispute these clear and unambiguous facts then go right ahead.

you haven't told me how you know the virus exits. who is we? do you suffer from dissociative identity disorder? you don't know shit & can't prove anything you are stating. tell me how you know it is real was the question. not what you have been told. tell me how you isolated this virus from a person. can't wait to hear this

[Master]

Other than the fact that World Health Organisation declared covid 19 outbreak a global pandemic, coincide with the rise in deaths due to this virus around the world as well as this is how virus spread I have nothing.

[X]

I have never seen Manny Pacquiaio in the flesh. He could be a computer generated image on my TV really. In fact, he probably is.

Has anyone actually isolated him to prove he exists?

[Master]

I have never seen Manny Pacquiaio in the flesh. He could be a computer generated image on my TV really. In fact, he probably is.

Has anyone actually isolated him to prove he exists?

I think you do not exist and are computer generated.

[TIC]

I have never seen Manny Pacquiaio in the flesh. He could be a computer generated image on my TV really. In fact, he probably is.

Has anyone actually isolated him to prove he exists?

the old deceptive tactic of changing the subject to something i have not even mentioned. if you want to talk about pac go ahead. it's not the subject i am asking about. the tactic is used to avoid dealing with the actual subject or question so you can attack that rather than deal with the real question

[Kirkland Laing]

you haven't told me how you know the virus exits. who is we? do you suffer from dissociative identity disorder? you don't know shit & can't prove anything you are stating. tell me how you know it is real was the question. not what you have been told. tell me how you isolated this virus from a person. can't wait to hear this

I don't have to understand anything about aerodynamics or jet propulsion to know that I'm flying in the air in a plane. It isn't necessary for me to understand anything about how lift, thrust, drag and weight combine to have me flying through the air to know that I'm flying through the air.

And it's the same with the virus. I don't need to personally know anything about the virus itself to know that it exists. I can rely on the thousands of virologists and other medical experts in every major country in the world who have analysed the virus and all say it exists. I can rely on the thousands of people around the world who have devised tests for the presence of the exact genetic structure of this virus, and the results of those tests that have shown tens of millions of positive results. I can rely on the tens of thousands of doctors and medical professionals who have treated the millions of infected people. Then there are the millions of dead bodies and the tens of millions of sick infected people.



If you're claiming that the virus doesn't exist, which you are, then you're also claiming that there's a gigantic conspiracy involving all these millions of people from every country in the world and that not a single person has come out and admitted that the conspiracy exists. You're claiming that tens of thousands of medical professionals who have dedicated their lives to saving lives and protecting the public health are all lying for some reason, that tens of thousands of doctors are betraying their Hippocratic oath and that not one of these people is willing to stand up and admit the truth. That millions of deaths of people who weren't expected to die are being faked somehow.

If you're going to make the claim that the virus doesn't exist then you need to have some kind of evidence to show that my evidence isn't true. Otherwise you're just another mentally ill person yelling at the sky.

[TIC]

you haven't told me how you know the virus exits. who is we? do you suffer from dissociative identity disorder? you don't know shit & can't prove anything you are stating. tell me how you know it is real was the question. not what you have been told. tell me how you isolated this virus from a person. can't wait to hear this

I don't have to understand anything about aerodynamics or jet propulsion to know that I'm flying in the air in a plane. It isn't necessary for me to understand anything about how lift, thrust, drag and weight combine to have me flying through the air to know that I'm flying through the air.

And it's the same with the virus. I don't need to personally know anything about the virus itself to know that it exists. I can rely on the thousands of virologists and other medical experts in every major country in the world who have analysed the virus and all say it exists. I can rely on the thousands of people around the world who have devised tests for the presence of the exact genetic structure of this virus, and the results of those tests that have shown tens of millions of positive results. I can rely on the tens of thousands of doctors and medical professionals who have treated the millions of infected people. Then there are the millions of dead bodies and the tens of millions of sick infected people.



If you're claiming that the virus doesn't exist, which you are, then you're also claiming that there's a gigantic conspiracy involving all these millions of people from every country in the world and that not a single person has come out and admitted that the conspiracy exists. You're claiming that tens of thousands of medical professionals who have dedicated their lives to saving lives and protecting the public health are all lying for some reason, that tens of thousands of doctors are betraying their Hippocratic oath and that not one of these people is willing to stand up and admit the truth. That millions of deaths of people who weren't expected to die are being faked somehow.

If you're going to make the claim that the virus doesn't exist then you need to have some kind of evidence to show that my evidence isn't true. Otherwise you're just another mentally ill person yelling at the sky.

relying on what others have said is believing not knowing. you stated that you know it exists & have been shown as a liar. your evidence isn't proof of you knowing it exists. just that you are happy to put your faith in others. all of you here believe. it doesn't mean you are lying. just believing. you stated you know it exists & can't prove that to be true you liar

[Beanz]

you haven't told me how you know the virus exits. who is we? do you suffer from dissociative identity disorder? you don't know shit & can't prove anything you are stating. tell me how you know it is real was the question. not what you have been told. tell me how you isolated this virus from a person. can't wait to hear this

I don't have to understand anything about aerodynamics or jet propulsion to know that I'm flying in the air in a plane. It isn't necessary for me to understand anything about how lift, thrust, drag and weight combine to have me flying through the air to know that I'm flying through the air.

And it's the same with the virus. I don't need to personally know anything about the virus itself to know that it exists. I can rely on the thousands of virologists and other medical experts in every major country in the world who have analysed the virus and all say it exists. I can rely on the thousands of people around the world who have devised tests for the presence of the exact genetic structure of this virus, and the results of those tests that have shown tens of millions of positive results. I can rely on the tens of thousands of doctors and medical professionals who have treated the millions of infected people. Then there are the millions of dead bodies and the tens of millions of sick infected people.



If you're claiming that the virus doesn't exist, which you are, then you're also claiming that there's a gigantic conspiracy involving all these millions of people from every country in the world and that not a single person has come out and admitted that the conspiracy exists. You're claiming that tens of thousands of medical professionals who have dedicated their lives to saving lives and protecting the public health are all lying for some reason, that tens of thousands of doctors are betraying their Hippocratic oath and that not one of these people is willing to stand up and admit the truth. That millions of deaths of people who weren't expected to die are being faked somehow.

If you're going to make the claim that the virus doesn't exist then you need to have some kind of evidence to show that my evidence isn't true. Otherwise you're just another mentally ill person yelling at the sky.

relying on what others have said is believing not knowing. you stated that you know it exists & have been shown as a liar. your evidence isn't proof of you knowing it exists. just that you are happy to put your faith in others. all of you here believe. it doesn't mean you are lying. just believing. you stated you know it exists & can't prove that to be true you liar

You spend your entire life basing your actions on what other people have said from birth to death. That is literally how we as humans navigate the world. What you are in fact doing is insisting that everybody on the forum ignores all the facts that they know to be true, and join your crazy faith based belief that the virus isn't real.

The thing is, you do not qualify for a pass. You owe all of us here a clear explanation of your childlike belief.

You still have not told us how you know the virus does not exist. It is your job to do just that, not the job of anyone else to prove indisputable facts about the most studied virus in human history.

You can present fallacy after fallacy but the fact remains you have your head up your arse and can't handle the responsibility of acting like an adult. If you are going to accuse anyone on the forum who asks you to explain your fairy story based belief system of being liars, mentally ill and worse you need to start ponying up and settle your side of the bargain.


How do you know that Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao Sr exists?

[Kirkland Laing]

you haven't told me how you know the virus exits. who is we? do you suffer from dissociative identity disorder? you don't know shit & can't prove anything you are stating. tell me how you know it is real was the question. not what you have been told. tell me how you isolated this virus from a person. can't wait to hear this

I don't have to understand anything about aerodynamics or jet propulsion to know that I'm flying in the air in a plane. It isn't necessary for me to understand anything about how lift, thrust, drag and weight combine to have me flying through the air to know that I'm flying through the air.

And it's the same with the virus. I don't need to personally know anything about the virus itself to know that it exists. I can rely on the thousands of virologists and other medical experts in every major country in the world who have analysed the virus and all say it exists. I can rely on the thousands of people around the world who have devised tests for the presence of the exact genetic structure of this virus, and the results of those tests that have shown tens of millions of positive results. I can rely on the tens of thousands of doctors and medical professionals who have treated the millions of infected people. Then there are the millions of dead bodies and the tens of millions of sick infected people.



If you're claiming that the virus doesn't exist, which you are, then you're also claiming that there's a gigantic conspiracy involving all these millions of people from every country in the world and that not a single person has come out and admitted that the conspiracy exists. You're claiming that tens of thousands of medical professionals who have dedicated their lives to saving lives and protecting the public health are all lying for some reason, that tens of thousands of doctors are betraying their Hippocratic oath and that not one of these people is willing to stand up and admit the truth. That millions of deaths of people who weren't expected to die are being faked somehow.

If you're going to make the claim that the virus doesn't exist then you need to have some kind of evidence to show that my evidence isn't true. Otherwise you're just another mentally ill person yelling at the sky.

relying on what others have said is believing not knowing. you stated that you know it exists & have been shown as a liar. your evidence isn't proof of you knowing it exists. just that you are happy to put your faith in others. all of you here believe. it doesn't mean you are lying. just believing. you stated you know it exists & can't prove that to be true you liar

We're both relying on what other people say. I'm going to use your own metric here, your own standard, that only people who are qualified virologists are capable of knowing whether the virus exists. The number of people worldwide who are suitably qualified and are working in public health, institutes and labs that study viruses, pharmaceutical firms who are studying the virus to come up with treatments and so on will number several thousand people.

Every single one of these qualified people say that the virus exists. Every single one of them. You can't point to a single qualified person who has hands on experience of the virus who says that it doesn't exist. Not a single solitary person.