Ryan Garcia v Emmanuel Tagoe

[TIC]

I for one am not ready to give the kid a pass. For starters, IMO it's utterly ridiculous to have him ranked in the top five in 135. Loma, Davis, and Teo all sweep the floor with him. He's ridden the hype off one big fight, and is all about social media, calling himself "King", and all sorts of bullshit. He ridiculously talked about a fight vs Pac. Since when does a legend in boxing lower himself to fighting a boy still wet behind the ears? He's "got mental health issues"... so that makes him sort of untouchable from a criticism point of view. But the time to PUT UP OR SHUT UP is fast approaching... and if he doesn't live up to the hype, he's gonna have to take a demotion from "King" to "Pauper."

It's amusing how once the media falls in love with a young kid (good looks, a mouth to match, being American helps)... it's like a pitbull with a bone. They just won't let go.

i don't care for ratings, only who fighters fight. loma sure, who doesn't have a hard time with loma? tank struggled with isaac, it is not beyond possibility king ry could beat tank. is teo still at one thirty five? lots of nicknames don't fit in boxing. what fighter doesn't want to get a big fight against a huge name in the sport. jake would love to get a canelo fight. he is still only twenty three so time is on his side. lots of prospects have failed to live up to the hype

I don't care for ratings either, especially when they can have Garcia as a top 5.

would you be able to post your top five at one thirty five?

I'd easily put Loma, Kambosos, Davis, Haney, and Lopez ahead of Pauper Ry. And I'm being kind not putting Joseph Diaz and Linares ahead of him also.

Hell... even Pitbull Cruz kicks Hype Job's ass.

loma is a hard out for anyone at lightweight. i think king ry could beat devin, gervonta & isaac. i see isaac as the toughest fight of the three. i could also see him beating george. another tough fight. i don't think we will see teo at one thirty five again. i also think he's better than jo jo & jorge is shot to bits. king ry would beat zaur. hopefully king ry can get back on track & get in a few fights this year

I'll be here when the so-called "King" (really a pauper) comes crashing down to Earth and gets turned into the Court Jester. He won't be able to withstand the mental grind, and go back to being Instagram King.

not all prospects reach their potential or hype. king ry wouldn't be the first & wouldn't be the last. no big deal. it's only entertainment

Glad we agree.

Of course, it looks worse when the hype is self-promoted.

some guys have that charisma. they may not be the best but they have that something that draws fans to them. kind of like adrian i guess. he had a bigger following than his skills deserved

[TitoFan]

I for one am not ready to give the kid a pass. For starters, IMO it's utterly ridiculous to have him ranked in the top five in 135. Loma, Davis, and Teo all sweep the floor with him. He's ridden the hype off one big fight, and is all about social media, calling himself "King", and all sorts of bullshit. He ridiculously talked about a fight vs Pac. Since when does a legend in boxing lower himself to fighting a boy still wet behind the ears? He's "got mental health issues"... so that makes him sort of untouchable from a criticism point of view. But the time to PUT UP OR SHUT UP is fast approaching... and if he doesn't live up to the hype, he's gonna have to take a demotion from "King" to "Pauper."

It's amusing how once the media falls in love with a young kid (good looks, a mouth to match, being American helps)... it's like a pitbull with a bone. They just won't let go.

i don't care for ratings, only who fighters fight. loma sure, who doesn't have a hard time with loma? tank struggled with isaac, it is not beyond possibility king ry could beat tank. is teo still at one thirty five? lots of nicknames don't fit in boxing. what fighter doesn't want to get a big fight against a huge name in the sport. jake would love to get a canelo fight. he is still only twenty three so time is on his side. lots of prospects have failed to live up to the hype

I don't care for ratings either, especially when they can have Garcia as a top 5.

would you be able to post your top five at one thirty five?

I'd easily put Loma, Kambosos, Davis, Haney, and Lopez ahead of Pauper Ry. And I'm being kind not putting Joseph Diaz and Linares ahead of him also.

Hell... even Pitbull Cruz kicks Hype Job's ass.

loma is a hard out for anyone at lightweight. i think king ry could beat devin, gervonta & isaac. i see isaac as the toughest fight of the three. i could also see him beating george. another tough fight. i don't think we will see teo at one thirty five again. i also think he's better than jo jo & jorge is shot to bits. king ry would beat zaur. hopefully king ry can get back on track & get in a few fights this year

I'll be here when the so-called "King" (really a pauper) comes crashing down to Earth and gets turned into the Court Jester. He won't be able to withstand the mental grind, and go back to being Instagram King.

not all prospects reach their potential or hype. king ry wouldn't be the first & wouldn't be the last. no big deal. it's only entertainment

Glad we agree.

Of course, it looks worse when the hype is self-promoted.

some guys have that charisma. they may not be the best but they have that something that draws fans to them. kind of like adrian i guess. he had a bigger following than his skills deserved

I would've thought you liked fighters who put results before the hype. But... what was I thinking...

Funny you should bring Adrian up. Another loser.

See... I don't sympathize nor follow any of those losers. All mouth... no results.

But to each his own.

[TitoFan]

By the way... that "something" Adrian Broner has that you call "charisma", I call being a punk who talks too much and can't back up his shit.

Which is why Maidana's beatdown of him remains one of my favorite fights to this day.

[TIC]

By the way... that "something" Adrian Broner has that you call "charisma", I call being a punk who talks too much and can't back up his shit.

Which is why Maidana's beatdown of him remains one of my favorite fights to this day.

some fighters have that something though, call it charisma, popularity whatever. they don't have to be the best but they bring in big crowds & dollars. they get offered big purses & opportunities that others with better skills are more deserving off. it is not always just the backing they have, they have that something that makes them a draw

[TitoFan]

By the way... that "something" Adrian Broner has that you call "charisma", I call being a punk who talks too much and can't back up his shit.

Which is why Maidana's beatdown of him remains one of my favorite fights to this day.

some fighters have that something though, call it charisma, popularity whatever. they don't have to be the best but they bring in big crowds & dollars. they get offered big purses & opportunities that others with better skills are more deserving off. it is not always just the backing they have, they have that something that makes them a draw

I agree that many times more deserving fighters don't get the big purses... and yes... Broner is a good example of someone who's totally not deserving, yet managed to get a huge following at one point. That quickly wore off, however, when it became clear that he was more mouth than anything else. At that point, people tune in just to see him get his ass beaten. He has still made the big bucks, so I guess the whole schtick worked for him. Where I don't agree is where people say Broner has charisma. I think it's more of a morbidly weird, off the rails personality that some people are just curious to see. It sells... so I guess it serves its purpose.

[Memphis]

I like Garcia. It's hard not to. He's one of those. So far he's backed up his boasts. The win over Campbell was a good one. Good name, great pedigree. There are tougher tests ahead for sure but so far so good. We just have to accept that the social media side of things is the new norm. He's good at that too.

In a sport of machismo there is and will be for some time a stigma attached to any weakness, especially an apparent weakness of the mind. I've said it many times but we will accept a physical weakness, we won't suffer a mental one. Glass chin? No problem. Iffy stamina? Meh. Mental illness?!?! Not having it. You better be ready to fight at all times. If not, you're less of a fighter, less of a man and it's only a matter of time before that weakness manifests itself in the ring. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know what his mental health issues are but I'd imagine they aren't boxing related. Once you step over the white line, or the first bell or whistle goes, a different mentality takes over and you get to be freed from those demons. You'd better be anyway, or you'll be freed from consciousness.

Again bigger tests to come. Bigger punchers. But he literally took his crisis moment with Campbell on the chin and came back fighting. So far so good.

[TitoFan]

What's not to like? He's personable... he's articulate... and he's identifiable for young people looking up to him. But when fame and hype precede the substance... that's where I have a problem. One good fight does not a star make. If so, we'd be flooded with phenoms with household names... calling themselves King, TBE, GOAT, etc. People are so hungry for a handsome young megastar (again... it doesn't hurt he's from the USA), that they'll jump on the bandwagon quicker than you can blink. Nobody's begrudging him his mental health issues. But too bad for the legions of past fighters that didn't have the luxury to cry "mental illness" and be given a pass from unexplained absences or subpar performances. Yeah... those were brutal times... but also times when fighters had to scratch and claw to get the type of notoriety Ryan seems to be getting for free. Then calling out Pac, FFS... A kid with barely 20 fights and one good fight under his belt.... calling out a legend. Shouldn't these things have to be earned? Sooo glad that never came off. If I were Pac's agent I would've never returned his calls in the first place. Time will tell. But anyone who starts off with that silver spoon in their mouths, courtesy of the media... already has two strikes with fans like me.

[TIC]

I for one am not ready to give the kid a pass. For starters, IMO it's utterly ridiculous to have him ranked in the top five in 135. Loma, Davis, and Teo all sweep the floor with him. He's ridden the hype off one big fight, and is all about social media, calling himself "King", and all sorts of bullshit. He ridiculously talked about a fight vs Pac. Since when does a legend in boxing lower himself to fighting a boy still wet behind the ears? He's "got mental health issues"... so that makes him sort of untouchable from a criticism point of view. But the time to PUT UP OR SHUT UP is fast approaching... and if he doesn't live up to the hype, he's gonna have to take a demotion from "King" to "Pauper."

It's amusing how once the media falls in love with a young kid (good looks, a mouth to match, being American helps)... it's like a pitbull with a bone. They just won't let go.

i don't care for ratings, only who fighters fight. loma sure, who doesn't have a hard time with loma? tank struggled with isaac, it is not beyond possibility king ry could beat tank. is teo still at one thirty five? lots of nicknames don't fit in boxing. what fighter doesn't want to get a big fight against a huge name in the sport. jake would love to get a canelo fight. he is still only twenty three so time is on his side. lots of prospects have failed to live up to the hype

I don't care for ratings either, especially when they can have Garcia as a top 5.

would you be able to post your top five at one thirty five?

I'd easily put Loma, Kambosos, Davis, Haney, and Lopez ahead of Pauper Ry. And I'm being kind not putting Joseph Diaz and Linares ahead of him also.

Hell... even Pitbull Cruz kicks Hype Job's ass.

loma is a hard out for anyone at lightweight. i think king ry could beat devin, gervonta & isaac. i see isaac as the toughest fight of the three. i could also see him beating george. another tough fight. i don't think we will see teo at one thirty five again. i also think he's better than jo jo & jorge is shot to bits. king ry would beat zaur. hopefully king ry can get back on track & get in a few fights this year

I'll be here when the so-called "King" (really a pauper) comes crashing down to Earth and gets turned into the Court Jester. He won't be able to withstand the mental grind, and go back to being Instagram King.

not all prospects reach their potential or hype. king ry wouldn't be the first & wouldn't be the last. no big deal. it's only entertainment

Glad we agree.

Of course, it looks worse when the hype is self-promoted.

some guys have that charisma. they may not be the best but they have that something that draws fans to them. kind of like adrian i guess. he had a bigger following than his skills deserved

I would've thought you liked fighters who put results before the hype. But... what was I thinking...

Funny you should bring Adrian up. Another loser.

See... I don't sympathize nor follow any of those losers. All mouth... no results.

But to each his own.

i do like fighters that put results before hype. king ry has a good win over luke. there is still work to be done. i'm just using adrian as a guy who was hyped & had a big following but was far from elite