WTF is stopping Canelo from fighting Benavidez?

[TitoFan]

i always liked dinamita but he has always seemed envious of canelo's success. has juan got the same energy about errol not fighting an ibf mandatory since carlos ocampo or what about jermall not defending against ibf mandatory bakhram murtazaliev? was juan asked for his opinion on those mandatories?

I think JMM limits his opinions to other Mexicans.

Although Mexico and my home of Puerto Rico have always had one of the best rivalries in boxing... and I always root for my home fighter... I've learned to admire (and be a fan of) Mexican warriors in the past. Warriors who exemplified what it is to fight ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. Diva clauses be damned. If they lose a championship fight... so what. They come back stronger for the next fight and learn from their mistakes.

Canelo is none of that. I've ALWAYS criticized and disliked him for that... and it's heartening to see a fellow Mexican do it also.

throughout every era, fighters will get criticized. there are some that claim juan ducked naseem & a career high payday when offered. end of the day juan, like canelo has fought against some of the best fighters of their time

That's a copout. And comparing JMM to Canelo is an insult to Marquez. They are nothing alike. JMM never did any diva rehydration clauses. Probably very few, if any, catchweights. He never purposely waited on fighters to get old to fight them. He never sought unfair weight advantages. He fought all comers. Any time, any place. He didn't have the judges in his back pocket like Ginger does. He never called himself the Face of Boxing. He let his fights do the talking. When he lost... so what? He went on to the next challenge. There are some that claim JMM ducked Naseem? Sure. Just like there is always someone who comes from the woodwork to claim X ducked Y, and that applies to just about any fighter. Was JMM known as a ducker? Hardly.

So to those who've insinuated I dislike Canelo because he's Mexican (not you)... they're being ignorant. JMM... Barrera...Finito Lopez... all these are among my favorite Mexican fighters of the past. But I don't like cheaters (Clenbuterol)... I don't like divas... I don't like "marinating" fights (GGG when Canelo could easily fight at 160, but chose to meet JCC Jr. at 170)... I don't like fanboyism... I don't like jumping entire weight divisions to pick off lame zebras (Ginger's specialty)... IN FACT... there's a lot of things on the list.

Even many MEXICANS don't like Ginger. They know he's nothing like the past warriors. He's a coddled cherry-picker.

[TIC]

i always liked dinamita but he has always seemed envious of canelo's success. has juan got the same energy about errol not fighting an ibf mandatory since carlos ocampo or what about jermall not defending against ibf mandatory bakhram murtazaliev? was juan asked for his opinion on those mandatories?

I think JMM limits his opinions to other Mexicans.

Although Mexico and my home of Puerto Rico have always had one of the best rivalries in boxing... and I always root for my home fighter... I've learned to admire (and be a fan of) Mexican warriors in the past. Warriors who exemplified what it is to fight ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. Diva clauses be damned. If they lose a championship fight... so what. They come back stronger for the next fight and learn from their mistakes.

Canelo is none of that. I've ALWAYS criticized and disliked him for that... and it's heartening to see a fellow Mexican do it also.

throughout every era, fighters will get criticized. there are some that claim juan ducked naseem & a career high payday when offered. end of the day juan, like canelo has fought against some of the best fighters of their time

That's a copout. And comparing JMM to Canelo is an insult to Marquez. They are nothing alike. JMM never did any diva rehydration clauses. Probably very few, if any, catchweights. He never purposely waited on fighters to get old to fight them. He never sought unfair weight advantages. He fought all comers. Any time, any place. He didn't have the judges in his back pocket like Ginger does. He never called himself the Face of Boxing. He let his fights do the talking. When he lost... so what? He went on to the next challenge. There are some that claim JMM ducked Naseem? Sure. Just like there is always someone who comes from the woodwork to claim X ducked Y, and that applies to just about any fighter. Was JMM known as a ducker? Hardly.

So to those who've insinuated I dislike Canelo because he's Mexican (not you)... they're being ignorant. JMM... Barrera...Finito Lopez... all these are among my favorite Mexican fighters of the past. But I don't like cheaters (Clenbuterol)... I don't like divas... I don't like "marinating" fights (GGG when Canelo could easily fight at 160, but chose to meet JCC Jr. at 170)... I don't like fanboyism... I don't like jumping entire weight divisions to pick off lame zebras (Ginger's specialty)... IN FACT... there's a lot of things on the list.

Even many MEXICANS don't like Ginger. They know he's nothing like the past warriors. He's a coddled cherry-picker.

who's comparing the two? i said they have both fought against some of the best fighters of their time. juan didn't fight nazeem when the fight was offered to him & juan was hardly ever in the position to call the shots. popular fighters have always been given advantages throughout the sports history, it's nothing new. do i agree with it? no. does it happen? yes. you don't like divas, that's cool, in my opinion miguel cotto was one of the biggest divas of his time but i appreciate the good fights he gave, just like i appreciate the good fights canelo has given. there's a lot of things wrong with the sport of boxing. popular stars getting advantages is way down on my list

[Spicoli]

I really think boxing has finally pushed my tolerance off the edge. May have taken three and a half decades but wow. This is trash. Playing fans for absolute fools

[TIC]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

[Ron Swanson]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Of course you do. That is the single dumbest, fakest line of BS ever spoke on this site. Absolutely pathetic. You are such a fraud.

And to think in that other thread I almost told them to leave your fake arse alone because you’re obviously deranged. Covid isn’t real, how stupid can you be? Defending this nonsense, now we know. I’m ashamed for you. Like it makes me feel nauseous what you just said is so pathetic.

The lesser Charlo, TICs fake ass loves it. Guy would lick Canelo’s balls until clean right after a horse ride and a workout.

[TIC]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Of course you do. That is the single dumbest, fakest line of BS ever spoke on this site. Absolutely pathetic. You are such a fraud.

And to think in that other thread I almost told them to leave your fake arse alone because you’re obviously deranged. Covid isn’t real, how stupid can you be? Defending this nonsense, now we know. I’m ashamed for you. Like it makes me feel nauseous what you just said is so pathetic.

The lesser Charlo, TICs fake ass loves it. Guy would lick Canelo’s balls until clean right after a horse ride and a workout.

i do prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. jermall has been out over two years & is not mentally ready. can you tell me how you have proved covid is a virus, caught from person to person, from outside the body or off surfaces? your claiming covid is real, so please provide your process is proving that claim. your processes ron, not what you believe someone else has told you. i never said i love it ron, stop misrepresenting me, i said i prefer jermell over jermall. i'm still waiting for you to provide a link to where you claim i said david b doesn't want the canelo fight

[TitoFan]

https://www.espn.com.sg/boxing/story...ermall-sept-30

"Canelo Alvarez to face Jermell Charlo, not brother Jermall, on Sept. 30"



Ok so Canelo will be facing Jermell Charlo.

Jermell... the undisputed at 154.

So Jermell is going to go up to 168 to face Canelo.

The same Canelo who has been called out by Jermall Charlo for a long time. Hell... at least Jermall fights at 160.

But anyway... so Jermell is going up TWO weight divisions to fight Canelo.

Canelo couldn't drag Badou Jack 20 pounds south for a BOGUS cruiserweight title... so he's dragging Jermell Charlo up TWO weight divisions to fight at 168.

Got it.




Yes. Canelo's working on his legacy. His legacy as the biggest cherry-picking, trinket-chasing, weight-jumping, ducking, coddled, overhyped DIVA that this generation of boxing has ever known.

I am SOOOO fukking glad I don't have to defend him from a fanboy's point of view.



Hell... Badou Jack ridiculed him. Told him to go fight Benavidez. JMM called him out. Said the WBC should take his straps away.

Red-haired clown is the laughing stock of the sport of boxing. At least among serious fans.

Fanboys and groupies will always give him a pass.

[Primo Carnera]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Of course you do. That is the single dumbest, fakest line of BS ever spoke on this site. Absolutely pathetic. You are such a fraud.

And to think in that other thread I almost told them to leave your fake arse alone because you’re obviously deranged. Covid isn’t real, how stupid can you be? Defending this nonsense, now we know. I’m ashamed for you. Like it makes me feel nauseous what you just said is so pathetic.

The lesser Charlo, TICs fake ass loves it. Guy would lick Canelo’s balls until clean right after a horse ride and a workout.

Not a fan of TIC then Ron?

[Primo Carnera]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Well I prefer Canelo fighting Benavidez. Don’t you?

[Primo Carnera]

It’s almost like Boxers (or maybe their management teams) test how far they can take the piss. And then go further!
This is no different to GGG v Brook. Yes we gave props to Brook for his balls, same as we probably will for Charlo. But it doesn’t make it right. I don’t know loads about Charlo, but I hope he fucking wins!
And like I keep saying , it’s down to
1. the governing bodies allowing it to happen and
2. The public for accepting it. Note I didn’t say fans, because fans are so fucking irrelevant.
“Undisputed v Undisputed “ ! Lame as fuck.
What next ? Fury v Inoue - “Undefeated v Undefeated!”

[TIC]

This is no different to GGG v Brook. Yes we gave props to Brook for his balls, same as we probably will for Charlo. But it doesn’t make it right. I don’t know loads about Charlo, but I hope he fucking wins!
And like I keep saying , it’s down to
1. the governing bodies allowing it to happen and
2. The public for accepting it. Note I didn’t say fans, because fans are so fucking irrelevant.
“Undisputed v Undisputed “ ! Lame as fuck.
What next ? Fury v Inoue - “Undefeated v Undefeated!”

this fight is very different from ggg v kell. had ggg ever fought at welter? was kell undisputed at welter? errol brought mikey up. antiono brought bernard up. this is nothing new. the networks & promoters also have a hand in these fights. the public is not forced to watch or buy it, although i do think this fight will do well. this fight is undisputed v undisputed. you might think it's lame, doesn't make it not undisputed v undisputed though. tyson v naoya undefeated v undefeated is a false equivalence. like titofan likes to say. apples & oranges

[TIC]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Well I prefer Canelo fighting Benavidez. Don’t you?

that wasn't my point. jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight

[Primo Carnera]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Well I prefer Canelo fighting Benavidez. Don’t you?

that wasn't my point. jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight

“that wasn't my point. No, I didn’t say it was.
jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next . Yes that’s exactly what I’m asking.

it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. Ok, fair enough, but if he wants to fight at 175, give up the belts at 168.
if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m - Ok , so Benavidez is running from a pro with 9 fights, but Canelo isn’t running from Benavidez?
now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight. Well like I said, Benavidez can fight Morello for all the belts that Canelo gives up because he’s fighting Bivol at 175. That’s Ok isn’t it?