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I don't believe Joshua has ever ducked anyone, either. But to categorically say Fury and Wilder ducked Joshua? Hogwash.

None of that "proves" that either ducked Joshua.

I'm not a diehard fan of any of them, so bias doesn't come into my argument.

Joshua could've made the Wilder fight happen had he really wanted it. Fact.

Fury swooped in and spared us the ongoing soap opera between Joshua and Wilder. Fact.

No one knows for certain how Joshua would've fared against that version of Wilder. Fact.
aj was rated & seen as the number one in the division & held three of the four major belts. deontay & tyson both chose to fight someone other than the perceived number one guy. this proves both deontay & tyson chose not to fight the perceived number one guy with three of the four major belts. no bias needed as that is what happened.

you can't make someone fight you if they don't want to fight you. fact. what was deontay getting out of fighting tyson instead of aj? aj was seen as number one & had three of the four belts. deontay also would have made more for aj over tyson & getting a chance at three belts & the number one guy in the division

tyson swooped in to fight deontay instead of fighting the number one guy with three of the four major belts. fact. what was tyson getting out of fighting deontay instead of aj? aj was seen as number one & had three of the four belts. tyson would have made more for fighting aj over deontay & getting a chance at three belts & the number one guy in the division

no one knows how an aj v deontay fight would have gone at the time. i agree

"Choosing to fight someone else" does not automatically equate to "ducking."

There are many intricacies involved. Discussions, thought processes, demands, conditions, etc, etc.

None of us, no matter how badly we want to claim insight into fighters' heads, can claim to have the "inside scoop."

When "ducks" are obvious, they're obvious.

Wilder and Joshua were involved in long, drawn-out negotiations. If memory serves me correctly (and I'm not one to be interested in the bickering aspect of boxing), Joshua's initial offerings to Wilder were ridiculous.

At some point yes, they were improved.

Wilder-Fury was much easier to make.

What proof do you have that both Wilder and Fury were scared to fight Joshua so they fought each other instead?

I didn't think so.