Andre Ward DESERVED a Canelo fight!

[TitoFan]

I find all this convoluted speculation amusing. It's always been clear to any knowledgeable boxing fan that Cotto was never a true middleweight. I personally never supported nor defended Cotto for his ventures into middleweight. I thought his physical peak was at 154, and that's that.

Using Cotto as a comparison to somehow defend Canelo and his shenanigans is beyond laughable. I don't recall Cotto ever asking anyone to drain himself 20 pounds in order to fight for some mythical title a couple of weight divisions higher than he (Cotto) was fit to fight.

My only contribution to this thread was to say that it's laughable to say Andre Ward "deserved" a Canelo fight, when in actuality Ward was twice the boxer Canelo will ever be. That Ward was frustrating in his inactivity, and didn't fight long enough to test himself against some real challenges out there... yeah. Which is why I've never been a huge Ward fan either.

That's all.

any knowledgeable boxing fan knows miguel won the middleweight title & any knowledgeable boxing fan should want a champion to fight their biggest threat & that's that

i am not using miguel as a comparison to canelo. i am highlighting that a real huge ggg fan would call out the guys who ducked him. miguel never offered to fight someone who weighed 32 pounds more than him in their previous fights & the alleged offer to badou still would have been within the cruiserweight limits as you very well know. miguel did however request catchweights when titles were on the line, forcing fighters to weigh less than the championship limit

you also contributed this

I've always been a huge GGG fan

which lead to this current discussion. the andre v canelo fight was never really even a thing as andre was weights above canelo at those times

that is all

You can mention catchweights all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Canelo wanting to drain Badou Jack for a cruiserweight title fight is one of the most chickenshit moves in boxing history.

But don't take my word for it. Read for yourself.

https://www.boxingscene.com/badou-ja...clause--175475

"Badou Jack: I Won't Be Facing Canelo Next; They Want Fight At 180, Plus Rehydration Clause"


Drain the guy 20 pounds... PLUS... a rehydration clause. And Ginger's got the nerve to call it a cruiserweight title fight. A title he would've never defended... because Ginger is all about the trinket.

Meanwhile, Badou himself told Ginger he should fight David Benavidez.


It's telling that you should continue to defend the chickenshit moves of the most coddled fighter in boxing history.

None of the other Mexican champions before or since have ever reached for trinkets just for the sake of the damn trinkets... all sportsmanship be damned.

You're just like the other casuals of today.

this is all only alleged by badou. have you got a copy of the official proposal? REALLY? You want to go there?


badou weighed 32 pounds more than canelo in their previous fights. i guess you'd be good with canelo v tank by that reasoning

at what weight division would a fight at 180 pounds be in titofan? doh. doesn't matter if canelo defended the title because he would have fought for it within the divisions weight limit

This is just one of those times where all there is to say is that... IF YOU'RE OK WITH THAT... there's nothing else to say.

just like miguel & sergio not fighting the biggest threat ggg as it was just not in the cards, sadly canelo v david b doesn't seem to be in the cards. david b has moved up & i think you said he's moved on, maybe you should do the same. david b's got a very good fight coming up next

emanuel navarrete says hi

you're trying to hide that you're one of the biggest casuals on here

At least try to be original.

It's clear you're at a loss for real defenses when you so shamelessly grasp at straws.

1. You revert to your modus operandi of asking for documented proof.

2. You're apparently ok with Ginger wanting to drain a cruiserweight to the bottom of the division, COMPLETE with rehydration clauses. Again... the most chickenshit move in the history of boxing.

3. You mask your fanboyism by regurgitating the labels that apply strictly to you.

Beyond sad... it's pathetic.

[TIC]

I find all this convoluted speculation amusing. It's always been clear to any knowledgeable boxing fan that Cotto was never a true middleweight. I personally never supported nor defended Cotto for his ventures into middleweight. I thought his physical peak was at 154, and that's that.

Using Cotto as a comparison to somehow defend Canelo and his shenanigans is beyond laughable. I don't recall Cotto ever asking anyone to drain himself 20 pounds in order to fight for some mythical title a couple of weight divisions higher than he (Cotto) was fit to fight.

My only contribution to this thread was to say that it's laughable to say Andre Ward "deserved" a Canelo fight, when in actuality Ward was twice the boxer Canelo will ever be. That Ward was frustrating in his inactivity, and didn't fight long enough to test himself against some real challenges out there... yeah. Which is why I've never been a huge Ward fan either.

That's all.

any knowledgeable boxing fan knows miguel won the middleweight title & any knowledgeable boxing fan should want a champion to fight their biggest threat & that's that

i am not using miguel as a comparison to canelo. i am highlighting that a real huge ggg fan would call out the guys who ducked him. miguel never offered to fight someone who weighed 32 pounds more than him in their previous fights & the alleged offer to badou still would have been within the cruiserweight limits as you very well know. miguel did however request catchweights when titles were on the line, forcing fighters to weigh less than the championship limit

you also contributed this

I've always been a huge GGG fan

which lead to this current discussion. the andre v canelo fight was never really even a thing as andre was weights above canelo at those times

that is all

You can mention catchweights all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Canelo wanting to drain Badou Jack for a cruiserweight title fight is one of the most chickenshit moves in boxing history.

But don't take my word for it. Read for yourself.

https://www.boxingscene.com/badou-ja...clause--175475

"Badou Jack: I Won't Be Facing Canelo Next; They Want Fight At 180, Plus Rehydration Clause"


Drain the guy 20 pounds... PLUS... a rehydration clause. And Ginger's got the nerve to call it a cruiserweight title fight. A title he would've never defended... because Ginger is all about the trinket.

Meanwhile, Badou himself told Ginger he should fight David Benavidez.


It's telling that you should continue to defend the chickenshit moves of the most coddled fighter in boxing history.

None of the other Mexican champions before or since have ever reached for trinkets just for the sake of the damn trinkets... all sportsmanship be damned.

You're just like the other casuals of today.

this is all only alleged by badou. have you got a copy of the official proposal? REALLY? You want to go there?


badou weighed 32 pounds more than canelo in their previous fights. i guess you'd be good with canelo v tank by that reasoning

at what weight division would a fight at 180 pounds be in titofan? doh. doesn't matter if canelo defended the title because he would have fought for it within the divisions weight limit

This is just one of those times where all there is to say is that... IF YOU'RE OK WITH THAT... there's nothing else to say.

just like miguel & sergio not fighting the biggest threat ggg as it was just not in the cards, sadly canelo v david b doesn't seem to be in the cards. david b has moved up & i think you said he's moved on, maybe you should do the same. david b's got a very good fight coming up next

emanuel navarrete says hi

you're trying to hide that you're one of the biggest casuals on here

At least try to be original.

It's clear you're at a loss for real defenses when you so shamelessly grasp at straws.

1. You revert to your modus operandi of asking for documented proof.

2. You're apparently ok with Ginger wanting to drain a cruiserweight to the bottom of the division, COMPLETE with rehydration clauses. Again... the most chickenshit move in the history of boxing.

3. You mask your fanboyism by regurgitating the labels that apply strictly to you.

Beyond sad... it's pathetic.

1, so only badou's word to go by then? nothing from canelo's side?

2, badou weighed 32 pounds more than canelo in their previous fights. the bottom of the division would be one seventy six. so you'd be okay with naoya fighting terence at jr middleweight yeh? that's the weight difference bub

3, it's clear that you are little more than a casual these days

"This is just one of those times where all there is to say is that... IF YOU'RE OK WITH THAT... there's nothing else to say."

where did i say i was okay with it? just stating facts that fighting at 180 is still within the cruiserweight limt. doh

[TitoFan]

I find all this convoluted speculation amusing. It's always been clear to any knowledgeable boxing fan that Cotto was never a true middleweight. I personally never supported nor defended Cotto for his ventures into middleweight. I thought his physical peak was at 154, and that's that.

Using Cotto as a comparison to somehow defend Canelo and his shenanigans is beyond laughable. I don't recall Cotto ever asking anyone to drain himself 20 pounds in order to fight for some mythical title a couple of weight divisions higher than he (Cotto) was fit to fight.

My only contribution to this thread was to say that it's laughable to say Andre Ward "deserved" a Canelo fight, when in actuality Ward was twice the boxer Canelo will ever be. That Ward was frustrating in his inactivity, and didn't fight long enough to test himself against some real challenges out there... yeah. Which is why I've never been a huge Ward fan either.

That's all.

any knowledgeable boxing fan knows miguel won the middleweight title & any knowledgeable boxing fan should want a champion to fight their biggest threat & that's that

i am not using miguel as a comparison to canelo. i am highlighting that a real huge ggg fan would call out the guys who ducked him. miguel never offered to fight someone who weighed 32 pounds more than him in their previous fights & the alleged offer to badou still would have been within the cruiserweight limits as you very well know. miguel did however request catchweights when titles were on the line, forcing fighters to weigh less than the championship limit

you also contributed this

I've always been a huge GGG fan

which lead to this current discussion. the andre v canelo fight was never really even a thing as andre was weights above canelo at those times

that is all

You can mention catchweights all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Canelo wanting to drain Badou Jack for a cruiserweight title fight is one of the most chickenshit moves in boxing history.

But don't take my word for it. Read for yourself.

https://www.boxingscene.com/badou-ja...clause--175475

"Badou Jack: I Won't Be Facing Canelo Next; They Want Fight At 180, Plus Rehydration Clause"


Drain the guy 20 pounds... PLUS... a rehydration clause. And Ginger's got the nerve to call it a cruiserweight title fight. A title he would've never defended... because Ginger is all about the trinket.

Meanwhile, Badou himself told Ginger he should fight David Benavidez.


It's telling that you should continue to defend the chickenshit moves of the most coddled fighter in boxing history.

None of the other Mexican champions before or since have ever reached for trinkets just for the sake of the damn trinkets... all sportsmanship be damned.

You're just like the other casuals of today.

this is all only alleged by badou. have you got a copy of the official proposal? REALLY? You want to go there?


badou weighed 32 pounds more than canelo in their previous fights. i guess you'd be good with canelo v tank by that reasoning

at what weight division would a fight at 180 pounds be in titofan? doh. doesn't matter if canelo defended the title because he would have fought for it within the divisions weight limit

This is just one of those times where all there is to say is that... IF YOU'RE OK WITH THAT... there's nothing else to say.

just like miguel & sergio not fighting the biggest threat ggg as it was just not in the cards, sadly canelo v david b doesn't seem to be in the cards. david b has moved up & i think you said he's moved on, maybe you should do the same. david b's got a very good fight coming up next

emanuel navarrete says hi

you're trying to hide that you're one of the biggest casuals on here

At least try to be original.

It's clear you're at a loss for real defenses when you so shamelessly grasp at straws.

1. You revert to your modus operandi of asking for documented proof.

2. You're apparently ok with Ginger wanting to drain a cruiserweight to the bottom of the division, COMPLETE with rehydration clauses. Again... the most chickenshit move in the history of boxing.

3. You mask your fanboyism by regurgitating the labels that apply strictly to you.

Beyond sad... it's pathetic.

1, so only badou's word to go by then? nothing from canelo's side?

2, badou weighed 32 pounds more than canelo in their previous fights. the bottom of the division would be one seventy six. so you'd be okay with naoya fighting terence at jr middleweight yeh? that's the weight difference bub

3, it's clear that you are little more than a casual these days

"This is just one of those times where all there is to say is that... IF YOU'RE OK WITH THAT... there's nothing else to say."

where did i say i was okay with it? just stating facts that fighting at 180 is still within the cruiserweight limt. doh

1. That's right.

2. No I'm not ok with Naoya fighting Bud. Why are you diverting the conversation saying something I didn't say? I'm not up on the argument buzzwords used here. But I'm sure you're using one of those. Stick to topic.

3. No. You're the casual (I'll briefly indulge your playground tit-for-tat).


Bottom line, bro. You're defending the indefensible. The most chickenshit attempt at a bogus title fight in the HISTORY OF BOXING.

In my mind, that makes you a fawning, casual fanboy. Which goes right along with your earlier fawning over basket case Instagram princess Ryan Garcia. Your kinda guy.

[TIC]

1, so just hearsay

2, the topic is you being okay with canelo fighting badou at 200 pounds, a difference of 32 pounds from their previous fights but not being okay with naoya fighting terence at jr middleweight, a difference of 32 pounds from their previous fights

3, you're a casual, all you do is bitch, bring negativity & talk about known fighters

by your reasoning naoya would be chickenshit to ask terence for a catchweight & rehydration clause (all only alleged) for a possible fight. at least canelo's request would have still been within the divisions weight limit

in my mind your lack of knowledge about the current scene from top to bottom makes you are casual. i always felt king ry was a decent prospect. the way he was dropping devin showed his potential. it's a pity he popped dirty. he's serving his ban & we'll see how he goes upon his return. he's got an exhibition first, against the guy pac just had an exhibition against & then he should officially be back in the ring. you rag on king ry but at least he's got in the ring with tank & devin so far

[TitoFan]

1, so just hearsay

2, the topic is you being okay with canelo fighting badou at 200 pounds, a difference of 32 pounds from their previous fights but not being okay with naoya fighting terence at jr middleweight, a difference of 32 pounds from their previous fights

3, you're a casual, all you do is bitch, bring negativity & talk about known fighters

by your reasoning naoya would be chickenshit to ask terence for a catchweight & rehydration clause (all only alleged) for a possible fight. at least canelo's request would have still been within the divisions weight limit

in my mind your lack of knowledge about the current scene from top to bottom makes you are casual. i always felt king ry was a decent prospect. the way he was dropping devin showed his potential. it's a pity he popped dirty. he's serving his ban & we'll see how he goes upon his return. he's got an exhibition first, against the guy pac just had an exhibition against & then he should officially be back in the ring. you rag on king ry but at least he's got in the ring with tank & devin so far

1. No. Reported news. If you want to apply your "COVID isn't real until I see the virus itself walking around in blue jeans" bullshit logic..... feel free to do so. Funny how you conveniently pick what to believe outright, but when it doesn't suit your fancy, you need proof. You're a joke.

2. The topic is me not being ok with Canelo trying to be a cruiserweight at all. Period. End of story. You can bring up Naoya vs Crawford... you can bring up Crawford vs Usyk... you can bring up AntMan vs Godzilla. Doesn't change the fact you're deflecting and inventing your own arguments. Canelo is not a fukking cruiserweight. But I'll go slower next time.

3. No. All I do is bitch and bring negativity about the overhyped fighters YOU drool over, grovel over, and worship like a teenage groupie. I don't like Ginger, of whom you apparently have life-sized posters in your bathroom.... so you cry.


What makes you a casual is your inability to distinguish between champions who have earned their lofty positions, and those who have manufactured their whole careers. It's your inability to distinguish between the champions who grind out their right to fight for championships, and those who demand them because they're pretty little princesses prancing and posing on social media.

Casual? You take it to another level.

[TIC]

1, reported news from badou? no actual copy of the proposal from team canelo? didn't think so. i don't have beliefs. i either know something or i don't. convid is claimed to be the cause of illness. i'm asking for some proof that i can verify myself that shows this claim is true

2, you are right canelo is not a cruiserweight, he is not even a light heavyweight, that is why if there was a proposal to badou a catchweight & rehydration clause would have been a good starting point. in negotiations you don't start with your best offer. did badou counter with anything? how's his career been going since that offer? you're finally getting it, canelo is not a cruiserweight, just like naoya is not a jr middleweight & 32 pounds is a huge difference in weight between their last fights. but you rag on canelo & wanted him to fight at 200 pounds but wouldn't want naoya to fight terence at jr middle which is the same weight difference. double standards as usual from you

3, i don't drool over any fighters. i think i am fair in my approach to all fighters i post about. my bathroom? you're losing the plot now

what makes you a casual is your exaggerations & your inability to drop your bias. looking at the from page of this board the only thread you have started is about oscar collazo a fighter i introduced you to, your not even casual enough to carry my jock strap

[TitoFan]

but you rag on canelo & wanted him to fight at 200 pounds but wouldn't want naoya to fight terence at jr middle which is the same weight difference. double standards as usual from you

I'll dispense with your usual bullshit, because frankly it's not worth my time.

But I do need to address your serious lack of reading comprehension.

I don't want Ginger to fight Badou at ANY WEIGHT. Ginger is not a cruiserweight. Badou is not going to accommodate Ginger by draining himself 20 pounds, and then subjecting himself to rehydration clauses.

Capiche? Entiendes? Verstehen Sie mich?

Ginger is a coddled diva. Badou is a fighter.

I don't want Naoya to fight Crawford at ANY WEIGHT. You're the one that for some fukking reason keeps bringing up Naoya.

Naoya himself has never said anything about fighting Crawford.

Naoya is a fighter also... not a coddled, trinket-grabbing pussy like Ginger is.

Now, I realize you have comprehension issues.

But you should quit before your "below-zero" credibility continues sinking even lower than it already is.