RIP Marvelous Marvin Hagler

[Primo Carnera]

There is no harm in Tic having the discussion. It looks like Spinks moved up to heavyweight after he cleaned out his division.

Every fighter chases the money including the old time greats like Grebb. Legacy is not the decisive factor no matter what the boxers may say.

Absolutely fair. But would you start a thread about a Boxer who has just passed away and simply put “Legend”.
Then a few years later, question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys? Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?
Yep, “Legend”.

why wouldn't i start a thread about a boxer who has just passed away & simply put "legend" when i think he's a legend?

"Then a few years later"
i've already said that i searched & the only other thread on the front page was called marvin haggler, the site has been having issues for weeks, sorry that i'm not prepared to wait for minutes on end to search through each page to try & find another marvin hagler thread to post in

"question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys"
once again as i've mentioned several times already in this thread, so i'm not sure if you are now ignoring that intentionally, i am not questioning marvin's legacy. i've already stated that in my opinion he was already a legend before the roberto duran fight. i'm asking if marvin gets a pass for fighting smaller guys, for bigger money over the last five to six years of his career, instead of looking for bigger challenges

"Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?"
yes these smaller guys are all time greats but as i've asked previously & no one has answered, where do you rate these smaller guys all time at middleweight?

yep, marvin is a legend

If asking “if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys” isn’t questioning Marvin’s legacy, then I don’t know what is!

[TIC]

There is no harm in Tic having the discussion. It looks like Spinks moved up to heavyweight after he cleaned out his division.

Every fighter chases the money including the old time greats like Grebb. Legacy is not the decisive factor no matter what the boxers may say.

Absolutely fair. But would you start a thread about a Boxer who has just passed away and simply put “Legend”.
Then a few years later, question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys? Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?
Yep, “Legend”.

why wouldn't i start a thread about a boxer who has just passed away & simply put "legend" when i think he's a legend?

"Then a few years later"
i've already said that i searched & the only other thread on the front page was called marvin haggler, the site has been having issues for weeks, sorry that i'm not prepared to wait for minutes on end to search through each page to try & find another marvin hagler thread to post in

"question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys"
once again as i've mentioned several times already in this thread, so i'm not sure if you are now ignoring that intentionally, i am not questioning marvin's legacy. i've already stated that in my opinion he was already a legend before the roberto duran fight. i'm asking if marvin gets a pass for fighting smaller guys, for bigger money over the last five to six years of his career, instead of looking for bigger challenges

"Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?"
yes these smaller guys are all time greats but as i've asked previously & no one has answered, where do you rate these smaller guys all time at middleweight?

yep, marvin is a legend

If asking “if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys” isn’t questioning Marvin’s legacy, then I don’t know what is!

you conveniently left of the most relevant part of my question "for bigger money over the last five to six years of his career, instead of looking for bigger challenges"

you also completely ignored where i said "in my opinion he was already a legend before the roberto duran fight"

if you think marvin fought the biggest challenges over the last five to six years of his career, that's fine we can agree to disagree

if you think marvin was too small to move up, that is also fine we can agree to disagree

but your misrepresentations show you hold a bias & are not interested in an honest discussion

[Primo Carnera]

There is no harm in Tic having the discussion. It looks like Spinks moved up to heavyweight after he cleaned out his division.

Every fighter chases the money including the old time greats like Grebb. Legacy is not the decisive factor no matter what the boxers may say.

Absolutely fair. But would you start a thread about a Boxer who has just passed away and simply put “Legend”.
Then a few years later, question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys? Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?
Yep, “Legend”.

why wouldn't i start a thread about a boxer who has just passed away & simply put "legend" when i think he's a legend?

"Then a few years later"
i've already said that i searched & the only other thread on the front page was called marvin haggler, the site has been having issues for weeks, sorry that i'm not prepared to wait for minutes on end to search through each page to try & find another marvin hagler thread to post in

"question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys"
once again as i've mentioned several times already in this thread, so i'm not sure if you are now ignoring that intentionally, i am not questioning marvin's legacy. i've already stated that in my opinion he was already a legend before the roberto duran fight. i'm asking if marvin gets a pass for fighting smaller guys, for bigger money over the last five to six years of his career, instead of looking for bigger challenges

"Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?"
yes these smaller guys are all time greats but as i've asked previously & no one has answered, where do you rate these smaller guys all time at middleweight?

yep, marvin is a legend

If asking “if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys” isn’t questioning Marvin’s legacy, then I don’t know what is!

you conveniently left of the most relevant part of my question "for bigger money over the last five to six years of his career, instead of looking for bigger challenges"

you also completely ignored where i said "in my opinion he was already a legend before the roberto duran fight"

if you think marvin fought the biggest challenges over the last five to six years of his career, that's fine we can agree to disagree

if you think marvin was too small to move up, that is also fine we can agree to disagree

but your misrepresentations show you hold a bias & are not interested in an honest discussion

No misrepresentation Mate, just pointing out the main part of what you said. I can’t see how that’s not honest.
If you think starting a tribute thread with “legend” then critiquing why he fought smaller guys isn’t at best hypocritical, at worst having a hidden agenda, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

[TIC]

There is no harm in Tic having the discussion. It looks like Spinks moved up to heavyweight after he cleaned out his division.

Every fighter chases the money including the old time greats like Grebb. Legacy is not the decisive factor no matter what the boxers may say.

Absolutely fair. But would you start a thread about a Boxer who has just passed away and simply put “Legend”.
Then a few years later, question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys? Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?
Yep, “Legend”.

why wouldn't i start a thread about a boxer who has just passed away & simply put "legend" when i think he's a legend?

"Then a few years later"
i've already said that i searched & the only other thread on the front page was called marvin haggler, the site has been having issues for weeks, sorry that i'm not prepared to wait for minutes on end to search through each page to try & find another marvin hagler thread to post in

"question his legacy by asking if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys"
once again as i've mentioned several times already in this thread, so i'm not sure if you are now ignoring that intentionally, i am not questioning marvin's legacy. i've already stated that in my opinion he was already a legend before the roberto duran fight. i'm asking if marvin gets a pass for fighting smaller guys, for bigger money over the last five to six years of his career, instead of looking for bigger challenges

"Even though these “smaller guys” are all time greats?"
yes these smaller guys are all time greats but as i've asked previously & no one has answered, where do you rate these smaller guys all time at middleweight?

yep, marvin is a legend

If asking “if he gets a pass for fighting smaller guys” isn’t questioning Marvin’s legacy, then I don’t know what is!

you conveniently left of the most relevant part of my question "for bigger money over the last five to six years of his career, instead of looking for bigger challenges"

you also completely ignored where i said "in my opinion he was already a legend before the roberto duran fight"

if you think marvin fought the biggest challenges over the last five to six years of his career, that's fine we can agree to disagree

if you think marvin was too small to move up, that is also fine we can agree to disagree

but your misrepresentations show you hold a bias & are not interested in an honest discussion

No misrepresentation Mate, just pointing out the main part of what you said. I can’t see how that’s not honest.
If you think starting a tribute thread with “legend” then critiquing why he fought smaller guys isn’t at best hypocritical, at worst having a hidden agenda, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

total misrepresentation on your part. the main part of what i said was towards the end of his career. go back & look at my original post. you're being very dishonest

as i've said before, one should be able to critique parts of a fighters career without being critical of the whole body of work, nothing hypocritical about that. there's no hidden agenda but what has been shown is that you hold a bias & it limits your logic in this discussion, shown by your strawman arguments about canelo, hidden agenda's, old threads, questioning marvin's legacy et cetera that you've created to attack rather than the actual discussion

[Master]

Everybody has opinions/bias and Hagler last 5/6 years stands against any other great boxers.

Spinks would have been a big challenge for Hagler. Probably Michael would have won but just because Hagler did not go up does not detract from his career. Facing Duran, Hearns and Leonard are better opponents put together than taking on Spinks at that time.