Ronald Wilson Reagan=Scumball

[CFH]

Ummm even Dosteyevsky said Europe is built out of stone,and Russia is built of wood
They couldnt get to their own resources in the form of natural gas,which is about all they really had
Even now theyre having a hard time getting to it,most of it sits in Siberia
And oh do please,it wasnt Western "freedoms",it was western"Products",there was a huge underground trade for Western products,and even domestically produced rock bands behind the curtain like Aquarium,and Lady Pank
Ironic that a set of Levi's is probably less easy to come by in Vladivostok now then before the collapse

"Western freedoms" was the term you used, not me. The USSR had over-exploited the easily accessable resources around the more populated areas of the country, however, with a half-decent infrastructure, one which was properly funded, those resources could have been extracted and used. The American would have no problem extracting resources from Alaska. This is a ridiculous argument.

[Trainer Monkey]

"Western freedoms" was the term you used, not me. The USSR had over-exploited the easily accessable resources around the more populated areas of the country, however, with a half-decent infrastructure, one which was properly funded, those resources could have been extracted and used. The American would have no problem extracting resources from Alaska. This is a ridiculous argument.

We have five tons of oil up there,and we still have to pay people to even live there
You didnt know that?
The US pays people to live in Alaska
Your right its a ridiulous argument,but your on the wrong side of it

[DAVIDTUA]

why was nancy so scrawny?

[CFH]

We have five tons of oil up there,and we still have to pay people to even live there
You didnt know that?
The US pays people to live in Alaska
Your right its a ridiulous argument,but your on the wrong side of it

Aside from the obvious labor requirements, what in the fuck does people being payed to live in Alaska have to do with successfully extracting resources from there? Your arguments make no sense, using some facts to back up your assertations might help. Every time I have challenged you on one aspect of your bizarre rants, you switch topics and ignore your previous statements. You obviously have no real knowledge of the subjects which we are debating.
While no doubt corrupt, I seriously doubt the USSR was so corrupt the entire system collapsed, though I will freely admit that is played a role, along with many other factors. And by the way, that corruption would negatively effect the economic situation of the USSR, which was further exasperated by the policies of, guess who, the Reagan administration.
All countries suffer from corruption. Look at China, a nation awash in corruption and graft, I highly doubt they'll collapse any time soon, they're certainlly not showing any signs of it. And if you think the American economy is suffering the way it is in large part because of corruption at the highest levels of US government, which you seemed to imply in your previous post, then I'd be genuinely surprised if you could tie your own shoes or walk down the street without having to wear a helmet.
Does Don Letts have a history degree? What about some experience in economics or international politics? Well, then what makes him a qualified source of information? Because he makes fucking documentaries? I guess Michael Moore should be considered as an unbiased bastion of knowledge then.
Don Letts is just an old, useless punk-rocker with opinions as biased as yours or mine. Does anyone actually give a flying fuck about what he thinks?
Belligerance does not equal knowledge, try reading a book or two.
Just for the record, I don't mean to personally offend you or anything, you're simply way off base with your arguments.

[Trainer Monkey]

Aside from the obvious labor requirements, what in the fuck does people being payed to live in Alaska have to do with successfully extracting resources from there? Your arguments make no sense, using some facts to back up your assertations might help. Every time I have challenged you on one aspect of your bizarre rants, you switch topics and ignore your previous statements. You obviously have no real knowledge of the subjects which we are debating.
While no doubt corrupt, I seriously doubt the USSR was so corrupt the entire system collapsed, though I will freely admit that is played a role, along with many other factors. And by the way, that corruption would negatively effect the economic situation of the USSR, which was further exasperated by the policies of, guess who, the Reagan administration.
All countries suffer from corruption. Look at China, a nation awash in corruption and graft, I highly doubt they'll collapse any time soon, they're certainlly not showing any signs of it. And if you think the American economy is suffering the way it is in large part because of corruption at the highest levels of US government, which you seemed to imply in your previous post, then I'd be genuinely surprised if you could tie your own shoes or walk down the street without having to wear a helmet.
Does Don Letts have a history degree? What about some experience in economics or international politics? Well, then what makes him a qualified source of information? Because he makes fucking documentaries? I guess Michael Moore should be considered as an unbiased bastion of knowledge then.
Don Letts is just an old, useless punk-rocker with opinions as biased as yours or mine. Does anyone actually give a flying fuck about what he thinks?
Belligerance does not equal knowledge, try reading a book or two.
Just for the record, I don't mean to personally offend you or anything, you're simply way off base with your arguments.

He swings and he misses again
We put a massive pipeline in there in the 70's during the oil crisis,and expanded it in the 80's
Maybe you should try doing some reading of your own
Oh and Don Letts was never a punk rocker,even though he did films for the Clash
He was a Reggae dude,swing and a miss again
Your right beligerence does not equal knowledge,and if you care to share anything but beligerence any time soon,let us know

[Trainer Monkey]

He swings and he misses again
We put a massive pipeline in there in the 70's during the oil crisis,and expanded it in the 80's
Maybe you should try doing some reading of your own
Oh and Don Letts was never a punk rocker,even though he did films for the Clash
He was a Reggae dude,swing and a miss again
Your right beligerence does not equal knowledge,and if you care to share anything but beligerence any time soon,let us know

And why do you guys allways,ALLWAYS go right for Michael Moore when your losing an argument?
I dont care what Michael Moore says about much of anything except for his book drive for our troops overseas
Though I did finally see Sicko a little bit ago,he actually understates his case,sorry the wife worked for a major insurance provider,he actually makes it sound not nearly so bad as it actually is.
Sonny boy,Ive lived through Nixon,Ford,Carter,Reagan,two Bush's and Clinton
If it wasnt for Bush Jr,Reagan would stand out as the worst President,and the biggest back stabbing liar,and total incompetent we've had in the second half of the twentieth century
Bush Jr is kinda hard to beat though
He's special,and by special I of course really mean retarded
Every body who disagrees with you HAS to be a Michael Moore fan,who listens to Air America(is that even still on the air?)
Sorry sahib,life doesnt work that way,not everybody fits in to the box you want them to.
I want political news,I dont kick on Rush Limbloat,or Rhandi Rhodes(if I wanted to be yelled at by a woman with an annoying voice Id call my mother in law up),I check the news wires
To quote an old 3rd Base song,"Ive got a strong mind,it doesnt need to be spoonfed,and I can read it doesnt have to be read"

[CFH]

And why do you guys allways,ALLWAYS go right for Michael Moore when your losing an argument?
I dont care what Michael Moore says about much of anything except for his book drive for our troops overseas
Though I did finally see Sicko a little bit ago,he actually understates his case,sorry the wife worked for a major insurance provider,he actually makes it sound not nearly so bad as it actually is.
Sonny boy,Ive lived through Nixon,Ford,Carter,Reagan,two Bush's and Clinton
If it wasnt for Bush Jr,Reagan would stand out as the worst President,and the biggest back stabbing liar,and total incompetent we've had in the second half of the twentieth century
Bush Jr is kinda hard to beat though
He's special,and by special I of course really mean retarded
Every body who disagrees with you HAS to be a Michael Moore fan,who listens to Air America(is that even still on the air?)
Sorry sahib,life doesnt work that way,not everybody fits in to the box you want them to.
I want political news,I dont kick on Rush Limbloat,or Rhandi Rhodes(if I wanted to be yelled at by a woman with an annoying voice Id call my mother in law up),I check the news wires
To quote an old 3rd Base song,"Ive got a strong mind,it doesnt need to be spoonfed,and I can read it doesnt have to be read"

Who are "you guys"? Last time I checked its only me arguing with you. And don't suppose I'm some right-wing pseudo-republican, because I'm not; I live in a socialist country, and I'm about as left-wing as one can get on SOME issues. I guess if by "you guys", you mean us folk who base our opinions on facts and knowledge, then I suppose it's fair.
By the way, it's you're, not your, and always has one L. Genius.

[CFH]

He swings and he misses again
We put a massive pipeline in there in the 70's during the oil crisis,and expanded it in the 80's
Maybe you should try doing some reading of your own
Oh and Don Letts was never a punk rocker,even though he did films for the Clash
He was a Reggae dude,swing and a miss again
Your right beligerence does not equal knowledge,and if you care to share anything but beligerence any time soon,let us know

The fact that the U.S. was able to build a pipeline to Alaska and was further able to expand it only supports my point that because of proper funding and an established, well maintained infrastructure the US was able to exploit its natural resources, even if they were far away from its population centers. This is something the USSR was not able to do, because all their money went to their military, thanks to the actions of the Reagan administration. I don't know how many times I have made this point already, but you haven't addressed it yet.
I don't know if your punchy, senile, or just plain stupid, you come across as all three, but you still have not addressed any of the points I have brought up in regards to the USSR. First they collapsed because their people wanted freedom, then it was corruption, right dumbass?
In regards to Michael Moore, he is a documentary filmmaker, a very successful one, but he is a pristine example of how biased and just plain wrong filmmakers can be. Not once did I say you were a Michael Moore fan, however he is a completely valid example since you were the one who brought up the views of another documentary filmmaker. Again, a person whose views do not mean jack shit in this discussion. I'm sure an esteemed social historian like yourself would be aware of the close relationship between punk rock and reggae as well, so I don't think I need to address that point. I don't know much about Don Letts, but his OPINION is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Have you ever taken a history course? Ever read any SCHOLARLY publications? Just because you believe something does not make it true. You have yet to bring A SINGLE FUCKING FACT into this discussion, nor have you adequately address any of my points, you ignorant moron. For the record, history is one of the two subjects majoring it at university. You do know what a university is, right? They're those big, shiny buildings you probably stumble past on the way to collect your social security check.
But you're a "boxing trainer" right? So we should bow before the altar of your vast and superior knowledge.
Don't bother to reply unless you are actually going to respond to one of the many points I have already made, no one needs to have any more of their time wasted by going through another of your old man rants. I'm not even going to address how laughable it is that you chose to quote a song lyrics about someone possessing a strong mind, just because you say it is so does not make it true. I mean, fuck, you check the news wires, that'll provide you with much more knowledge than an actual education.
I feel like I am arguing about the best investment strategies with a homeless person. Remember Monkey, try to respond with documented FACTS, not nonsensical ramblings.

[Trainer Monkey]

The fact that the U.S. was able to build a pipeline to Alaska and was further able to expand it only supports my point that because of proper funding and an established, well maintained infrastructure the US was able to exploit its natural resources, even if they were far away from its population centers. This is something the USSR was not able to do, because all their money went to their military, thanks to the actions of the Reagan administration. I don't know how many times I have made this point already, but you haven't addressed it yet.
I don't know if your punchy, senile, or just plain stupid, you come across as all three, but you still have not addressed any of the points I have brought up in regards to the USSR. First they collapsed because their people wanted freedom, then it was corruption, right dumbass?
In regards to Michael Moore, he is a documentary filmmaker, a very successful one, but he is a pristine example of how biased and just plain wrong filmmakers can be. Not once did I say you were a Michael Moore fan, however he is a completely valid example since you were the one who brought up the views of another documentary filmmaker. Again, a person whose views do not mean jack shit in this discussion. I'm sure an esteemed social historian like yourself would be aware of the close relationship between punk rock and reggae as well, so I don't think I need to address that point. I don't know much about Don Letts, but his OPINION is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Have you ever taken a history course? Ever read any SCHOLARLY publications? Just because you believe something does not make it true. You have yet to bring A SINGLE FUCKING FACT into this discussion, nor have you adequately address any of my points, you ignorant moron. For the record, history is one of the two subjects majoring it at university. You do know what a university is, right? They're those big, shiny buildings you probably stumble past on the way to collect your social security check.
But you're a "boxing trainer" right? So we should bow before the altar of your vast and superior knowledge.
Don't bother to reply unless you are actually going to respond to one of the many points I have already made, no one needs to have any more of their time wasted by going through another of your old man rants. I'm not even going to address how laughable it is that you chose to quote a song lyrics about someone possessing a strong mind, just because you say it is so does not make it true. I mean, fuck, you check the news wires, that'll provide you with much more knowledge than an actual education.
I feel like I am arguing about the best investment strategies with a homeless person. Remember Monkey, try to respond with documented FACTS, not nonsensical ramblings.

We had the capital to build said pipeline
They didnt
We had vast coal and iron and natural gas resources to tap in to
They didnt,unless you count their vast turnip resources
You get more shrill with every post,in other words you havent made a study of history,and you "know things"and Im ripping every single one of them down for you
Keep going please,this is fun
BTW,look it up,I havent said a thing that wasnt factual,actually you probably have,and thats whats making you so pissed off

[CFH]

We had the capital to build said pipeline
They didnt
We had vast coal and iron and natural gas resources to tap in to
They didnt,unless you count their vast turnip resources
You get more shrill with every post,in other words you havent made a study of history,and you "know things"and Im ripping every single one of them down for you
Keep going please,this is fun
BTW,look it up,I havent said a thing that wasnt factual,actually you probably have,and thats whats making you so pissed off

The bolded part only proves what I have been saying all along. The USSR had VAST amounts of natural resources, much more than turnups, some of it was in far away locations, but they could have accessed it, like the US in Alaska, with the proper infrastructure. Again, you haven't addressed a single point I have brought up, what exactly have you "ripped down"
The 8.0 GPA I have would suggest that I have, in fact, done a pretty damn good job of studying history, but I suppose YOU'RE a much better judge of historical knowledge than a professor with a PHD, right fuckwit? The only thing that is pissing me off is your stupidity and ignorance, I honestly cannot believe that people like yourself are allowed to vote. You should have to take a goddamn test. You've yet to prove a damn things, and again, you have brought zero facts into this discussion. You have not brought up any historically relevant information, you jump from point to point like a schizophrenic with ADD. I'm still waiting for you to address the issues I brought up PAGES ago.