Roger Clemens, steroid user.

[Kirkland Laing]

Now the latest is there's independent evidence as well as Pettitte and McNamee :

WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens will be confronted with a new and damaging affidavit from Andy Pettitte when he appears before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on Wednesday, two lawyers familiar with the matter said late Tuesday as Clemens made final preparations to testify that he never took performance-enhancing drugs.

Clemens will also be asked about corroborating information that committee staff members developed on their own that ties Clemens to such drugs, the lawyers said. That information, they said, stands separate and apart from the assertions made about Clemens by his former personal trainer, Brian McNamee, who contends that he injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone from 1998 to 2001.

“The committee is not messing around and has other damaging evidence against Roger,” one of the lawyers said.
The other lawyer said, “Andy said enough to really hurt Roger.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/sp...13clemens.html

[El Kabong]

....what do you care about baseball.....you hate America

[Kirkland Laing]

....what do you care about baseball.....you hate America

Disagreeing with dumbass bigotry isn't the same thing as hating America. America isn't a big dumb racist white boy, it's a secular liberal democracy.

[Kirkland Laing]

Clemens is going to face charges after today. There's no way they can indict Barry Bonds and not charge Clemens.

[El Kabong]

Clemens is going to face charges after today. There's no way they can indict Barry Bonds and not charge Clemens.

And behold, we see the reasoning

Perjury is extremely difficult to prove even in this case or in any case...to find SOLID permissible evidence to prove someone has lied is a hard thing to do considering you have to prove it BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Even with Andy Petitte's testimony all a lawyer would have to counter with is "I am sure you're a nice person, and you're trying to do the right thing by informing the jury of what happened all those years ago, but is there any possibility you may have simply misunderstood or wrongly remembered the conversation you had with Mr. Clemens" odds are Petitte is going to say "I guess" or something to that effect which should be enough to cause doubt and therefore you're off the hook so to speak.

And Kirkland, America isn't a "secular liberal democracy"...America is a Constitutional Republic we elect our leaders who vote FOR us on certain issues and that is a Republic....they abide (for the most part) to the Constitution in their decision making and via a system of checks and balances. But I do agree, voting IS democratic, and our leaders are secular in that we don't have religious laws passed (not yet), and some of our representatives are liberal.

[Kirkland Laing]

And behold, we see the reasoning

Perjury is extremely difficult to prove even in this case or in any case...to find SOLID permissible evidence to prove someone has lied is a hard thing to do considering you have to prove it BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Even with Andy Petitte's testimony all a lawyer would have to counter with is "I am sure you're a nice person, and you're trying to do the right thing by informing the jury of what happened all those years ago, but is there any possibility you may have simply misunderstood or wrongly remembered the conversation you had with Mr. Clemens" odds are Petitte is going to say "I guess" or something to that effect which should be enough to cause doubt and therefore you're off the hook so to speak.

And Kirkland, America isn't a "secular liberal democracy"...America is a Constitutional Republic we elect our leaders who vote FOR us on certain issues and that is a Republic....they abide (for the most part) to the Constitution in their decision making and via a system of checks and balances. But I do agree, voting IS democratic, and our leaders are secular in that we don't have religious laws passed (not yet), and some of our representatives are liberal.

There's more evidence from unimpeachable sources like Pettitte and his wife against Clemens than there is against Bonds.

Glad you agree with me that America is a secular liberal democracy.

[El Kabong]

Oh really? So we CAN trust Brian MacNamee but we CAN'T trust Victor Conte or Greg Anderson......yyyyyyeah