Is David Haye the savior of the heavyweight division?

[Majesty]

That's true Daxx, but Haye could be, COULD BE the next Evander Holyfield.

Holyfield didnt have a questionable chin or stamina.

[WelshDevilRob]

I can understand some being skeptical about Haye but the main thing is that we have an exciting, fast, explosive fighter moving to Heavyweight and the division needs it, so whether you think he's gonna fail or succeed I'm sure it will be an entertaining ride.

As for me I know he is going to spark out Wladimir Klitschko and just about anyother Heavyweight out there. There is nothing much in the division apart from Povetkin.

Really can't wait for Haye's next fight but looks like we will have to wait til near the end of the year, can see it being hard for him to get opponents as nobody is really gonna want to fight him unless they have to.

[Majesty]

I can understand some being skeptical about Haye but the main thing is that we have an exciting, fast, explosive fighter moving to Heavyweight and the division needs it, so whether you think he's gonna fail or succeed I'm sure it will be an entertaining ride.

As for me I know he is going to spark out Wladimir Klitschko and just about anyother Heavyweight out there. There is nothing much in the division apart from Povetkin.

Really can't wait for Haye's next fight but looks like we will have to wait til near the end of the year, can see it being hard for him to get opponents as nobody is really gonna want to fight him unless they have to.

People mistake "entertaining" for "skillfull" Nowadays. Just becuase Haye is exciting doesn't make him the savior of the division, he has a questionable chin and stamina thats not anything that should be overlooked.

But people overlook a fighters flaws in the wake of a spectacular fight but one person who wouldn't is his opponent. And at heavyweight I think Haye would have a lot of problems and turn out to be a herbie hide. A knockout here and there maybe even a title but shall fall against the truly skilled heavyweights like Wladimer

[Beanflicker]

People mistake "entertaining" for "skillfull" Nowadays. Just becuase Haye is exciting doesn't make him the savior of the division, he has a questionable chin and stamina thats not anything that should be overlooked.

Great point, it really is a shame that we often overhype the entertaining brawler and underrate the skillful boxer.

[WelshDevilRob]

People mistake "entertaining" for "skillfull" Nowadays. Just becuase Haye is exciting doesn't make him the savior of the division, he has a questionable chin and stamina thats not anything that should be overlooked.

But people overlook a fighters flaws in the wake of a spectacular fight but one person who wouldn't is his opponent. And at heavyweight I think Haye would have a lot of problems and turn out to be a herbie hide. A knockout here and there maybe even a title but shall fall against the truly skilled heavyweights like Wladimer

Can't see how you can say the guy hasn't the skills - technically and ability wise he has everything.

He is entertaining and skillful. He always has been since his amateur days. His speed has always been his main asset along with reflex's. The power is what everyone notices and seem to ignore his undoubted skills.

As for overlooking flaws - possibly but people keeping on about stamina when he has been weight drained yet had no stamina problems in stopping Mormeck in 7 and Fragomeni in 9 - where were the stamina problems then?

What happened in his 11th fight is irrelevant to the fighter he is now - his lifestyle is no longer partying 24/7, as he has settled down and is training hard which was proven by him getting down in weight and losing 30lbs of muscle to win then defend the Cruiserweight titles.

The shit served up by Wladimir Klitschko the other day was just further proof that the guy is overhyped by some fans - I can't see what is so special about him and I having seen at least 20 of his fights - I know I ain't missing anything. Infact the guy is getting worse.

Even if Haye fails it sounds like you would prefer to watch Klitschko slap jab his way to victory over a completely shot Lamon Brewster and then a nobody champion like Ibragimov - if that's how you like your Heavyweight Champions then so be it. I'd rather watch Haye fight.

[Taeth]

Can't see how you can say the guy hasn't the skills - technically and ability wise he has everything.

He is entertaining and skillful. He always has been since his amateur days. His speed has always been his main asset along with reflex's. The power is what everyone notices and seem to ignore his undoubted skills.

As for overlooking flaws - possibly but people keeping on about stamina when he has been weight drained yet had no stamina problems in stopping Mormeck in 7 and Fragomeni in 9 - where were the stamina problems then?

What happened in his 11th fight is irrelevant to the fighter he is now - his lifestyle is no longer partying 24/7, as he has settled down and is training hard which was proven by him getting down in weight and losing 30lbs of muscle to win then defend the Cruiserweight titles.

The shit served up by Wladimir Klitschko the other day was just further proof that the guy is overhyped by some fans - I can't see what is so special about him and I having seen at least 20 of his fights - I know I ain't missing anything. Infact the guy is getting worse.

Even if Haye fails it sounds like you would prefer to watch Klitschko slap jab his way to victory over a completely shot Lamon Brewster and then a nobody champion like Ibragimov - if that's how you like your Heavyweight Champions then so be it. I'd rather watch Haye fight.

Just you saying Ibragimov is a nobody leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about. He is a fast, solid puncher, who is a southpaw and had an extensive amateur career in Russia. Klitschko hardly slaps with his jab, he lands that jab as hard as anybody has ever landed a jab (including Louis, Foreman, Liston, etc). If you have seen 20 Klitschko fights, and you aren't impressed than David Haye shouldn't impress you at all because despite the fact he is skilled, he isnt' as skilled as Klitshcko, he doesn't have the defensive skills, or the arsenal of punches Wlad used to use, but DOESN'T have to right now. What Wlad against Mercer and if you aren't impressed by how good he is there then your an idiot.

[Mark TKO]

Haye is an exciting heavyweight prospect who has just come along at the right time - and the way he fights is only going to generate interest

Let's face it - look at the top ten heavies and apart from Wlad and Peter you'd defo pick him against any of them

[jimbob]

does anyone know if haye has a longer reach than most as he looked long armed to me and whatever happened to valuev i heard he was unbeatable

[Taeth]

I can understand some being skeptical about Haye but the main thing is that we have an exciting, fast, explosive fighter moving to Heavyweight and the division needs it, so whether you think he's gonna fail or succeed I'm sure it will be an entertaining ride.

As for me I know he is going to spark out Wladimir Klitschko and just about anyother Heavyweight out there. There is nothing much in the division apart from Povetkin.

Really can't wait for Haye's next fight but looks like we will have to wait til near the end of the year, can see it being hard for him to get opponents as nobody is really gonna want to fight him unless they have to.

The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.

[WelshDevilRob]

The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.

Completely disagree with you.

Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.

The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.

[Taeth]

Completely disagree with you.

Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.

The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.

Thats bs... Speed doesn't nullify height, watch Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest... Unless the fast guy has unique skills(like RJJ, PBF, etc) they won't be able to beat a taller guy of equal skill. Also Wladimir isn't gunshy all the of the time watch him against Byrd the second fight(who is faster than haye, but still coudln't land to Wlad's head), watch him against Peter, or against Brewster, he threw more punches than heavyweights have for a while now. His hesistants is all the more reason why haye won't stand a chance because Wlad is so skilled defensively, the jab nullifies that right hand, especially when Wladimir is throwing it from his 6'6-6'7 vantage point. Second haye isn't vastly quicker than Klitshcko who has very has hands(he is definitely faster than Enzo). its not me saying this but brooks(who taught both Wlad and Tyson) said that Wladimir has faster hands than Tyson when he trained him. Regardless, a better defensive fighter in Ibrigamov couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches nor Chris Byrd the first time they fought then Haye couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches, and there is no reason to believe Haye has any better of a chin p4p than Klitschko let alone him being able to survive what Klitschko dishes out... Haye would be fighting a bigger, better, and more experienced fighter than himself, who definitely hits harder than him.

[WelshDevilRob]

Thats bs... Speed doesn't nullify height, watch Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest... Unless the fast guy has unique skills(like RJJ, PBF, etc) they won't be able to beat a taller guy of equal skill. Also Wladimir isn't gunshy all the of the time watch him against Byrd the second fight(who is faster than haye, but still coudln't land to Wlad's head), watch him against Peter, or against Brewster, he threw more punches than heavyweights have for a while now. His hesistants is all the more reason why haye won't stand a chance because Wlad is so skilled defensively, the jab nullifies that right hand, especially when Wladimir is throwing it from his 6'6-6'7 vantage point. Second haye isn't vastly quicker than Klitshcko who has very has hands(he is definitely faster than Enzo). its not me saying this but brooks(who taught both Wlad and Tyson) said that Wladimir has faster hands than Tyson when he trained him. Regardless, a better defensive fighter in Ibrigamov couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches nor Chris Byrd the first time they fought then Haye couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches, and there is no reason to believe Haye has any better of a chin p4p than Klitschko let alone him being able to survive what Klitschko dishes out... Haye would be fighting a bigger, better, and more experienced fighter than himself, who definitely hits harder than him.

Why are you using a completely shot Brewster as an example? The guy had eye damage going into the fight and should have been medically retired - yet your making it out like Klitschko deserves an award for beating him.

As for Byrd is that the same guy that got brutalised by Ike Ibeabuchi in 5 rounds - how come Klitschko took so long to do what Ike already did.

Sam Peter has the speed of a hippo so again whats your point.

Speed will certainly be Haye's huge advantage over Klitschko along with Haye having reflex's that aren't like a robots.

As for Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest very true but we are talking Heavyweights here not Welterweights.

Klitschko has not got fast hands and he is very robotic. Were you one of the many on here that was laughably suggesting that Enzo was quicker than Haye. Alot of people are chatting about these fighters without having seen many of their fights and with little seeming knowledge of the fighters background etc.

[Von Milash]

Holyfield didnt have a questionable chin or stamina.

there have been times is his career where his stamina was atrocious. his new regime got him doing plyometrics, which he never did in his early years.