No matter who he beats, can calzaghe be the lbs4lbs greatest?

[Pugilistic]

as long as mayweather is still here then no,


welcome to saddos by the way

[donnydarkoIRL]

At this stage the pound for pound status will prove evasive for Joe.

Having blossomed in the eyes of the boxing public at such a late stage of his career, the essential fights are only becoming possible now at this advanced stage of his career.
Calzaghe, although a gifted natural athlete, a diligent trainer and a superb boxer, is slightly diminished now in comparison to the Calzaghe of a couple of years ago.

Problems with his hands coupled with his ever increasing age mean that the big fights do pose a threat. In any Calzaghe fight a broken hand is a possibility. As is the risk of his body ageing quickly.

Although viewed as his crowning glory, the win over Kessler did represent a different side of Joe. In terms of power he casnnot administer the same punches he did in his earlier career nor can he take the punches he did early in his career.

Not unlike his forthcoming adversary Bernard Hopkins, Calzaghe's game right now is based upon guile, intellect and expierience. His primary weapons are his speed coupled with his movement, useless to an inexpierienced boxer, but to a tactician like Calzaghe these tools can be sufficient in huge match ups.

However when the topic of pound for pound arises some doubt lingers.
The very term suggests something physical. To me it means who has the best brain coupled with the best physical ability.

Calzaghe although a brilliant boxer, an extremely fit man and as I've mentioned a diligent trainer, does not have the best physical game in the sport. In my eyes he will never be No.1 pound for pound in my eyes, because he din't get the big fights in his prime

[bikersk]

At this stage the pound for pound status will prove evasive for Joe.

Having blossomed in the eyes of the boxing public at such a late stage of his career, the essential fights are only becoming possible now at this advanced stage of his career.
Calzaghe, although a gifted natural athlete, a diligent trainer and a superb boxer, is slightly diminished now in comparison to the Calzaghe of a couple of years ago.

Problems with his hands coupled with his ever increasing age mean that the big fights do pose a threat. In any Calzaghe fight a broken hand is a possibility. As is the risk of his body ageing quickly.

Although viewed as his crowning glory, the win over Kessler did represent a different side of Joe. In terms of power he casnnot administer the same punches he did in his earlier career nor can he take the punches he did early in his career.

Not unlike his forthcoming adversary Bernard Hopkins, Calzaghe's game right now is based upon guile, intellect and expierience. His primary weapons are his speed coupled with his movement, useless to an inexpierienced boxer, but to a tactician like Calzaghe these tools can be sufficient in huge match ups.

However when the topic of pound for pound arises some doubt lingers.
The very term suggests something physical. To me it means who has the best brain coupled with the best physical ability.

Calzaghe although a brilliant boxer, an extremely fit man and as I've mentioned a diligent trainer, does not have the best physical game in the sport. In my eyes he will never be No.1 pound for pound in my eyes, because he din't get the big fights in his prime

Good points made but if Joe can Vanquish Hopkins then his P4P rises and he will be considered a great (or should be). But to be considered P4P greatest i don't know what he could do to achieve that.

[donnydarkoIRL]

At this stage the pound for pound status will prove evasive for Joe.

Having blossomed in the eyes of the boxing public at such a late stage of his career, the essential fights are only becoming possible now at this advanced stage of his career.
Calzaghe, although a gifted natural athlete, a diligent trainer and a superb boxer, is slightly diminished now in comparison to the Calzaghe of a couple of years ago.

Problems with his hands coupled with his ever increasing age mean that the big fights do pose a threat. In any Calzaghe fight a broken hand is a possibility. As is the risk of his body ageing quickly.

Although viewed as his crowning glory, the win over Kessler did represent a different side of Joe. In terms of power he casnnot administer the same punches he did in his earlier career nor can he take the punches he did early in his career.

Not unlike his forthcoming adversary Bernard Hopkins, Calzaghe's game right now is based upon guile, intellect and expierience. His primary weapons are his speed coupled with his movement, useless to an inexpierienced boxer, but to a tactician like Calzaghe these tools can be sufficient in huge match ups.

However when the topic of pound for pound arises some doubt lingers.
The very term suggests something physical. To me it means who has the best brain coupled with the best physical ability.

Calzaghe although a brilliant boxer, an extremely fit man and as I've mentioned a diligent trainer, does not have the best physical game in the sport. In my eyes he will never be No.1 pound for pound in my eyes, because he din't get the big fights in his prime

Good points made but if Joe can Vanquish Hopkins then his P4P rises and he will be considered a great (or should be). But to be considered P4P greatest i don't know what he could do to achieve that.

A win over Hopkins would see his stocks rise considerably that much is true.

In pound for pound terms he may climb a little or perhaps solidify his place at number three or so.

However, it is a commonly held belief that Calzaghe has only two fights left in him. Unfortunately he just hasn't enough time left.

[bikersk]

At this stage the pound for pound status will prove evasive for Joe.

Having blossomed in the eyes of the boxing public at such a late stage of his career, the essential fights are only becoming possible now at this advanced stage of his career.
Calzaghe, although a gifted natural athlete, a diligent trainer and a superb boxer, is slightly diminished now in comparison to the Calzaghe of a couple of years ago.

Problems with his hands coupled with his ever increasing age mean that the big fights do pose a threat. In any Calzaghe fight a broken hand is a possibility. As is the risk of his body ageing quickly.

Although viewed as his crowning glory, the win over Kessler did represent a different side of Joe. In terms of power he casnnot administer the same punches he did in his earlier career nor can he take the punches he did early in his career.

Not unlike his forthcoming adversary Bernard Hopkins, Calzaghe's game right now is based upon guile, intellect and expierience. His primary weapons are his speed coupled with his movement, useless to an inexpierienced boxer, but to a tactician like Calzaghe these tools can be sufficient in huge match ups.

However when the topic of pound for pound arises some doubt lingers.
The very term suggests something physical. To me it means who has the best brain coupled with the best physical ability.

Calzaghe although a brilliant boxer, an extremely fit man and as I've mentioned a diligent trainer, does not have the best physical game in the sport. In my eyes he will never be No.1 pound for pound in my eyes, because he din't get the big fights in his prime

Good points made but if Joe can Vanquish Hopkins then his P4P rises and he will be considered a great (or should be). But to be considered P4P greatest i don't know what he could do to achieve that.

A win over Hopkins would see his stocks rise considerably that much is true.

In pound for pound terms he may climb a little or perhaps solidify his place at number three or so.

However, it is a commonly held belief that Calzaghe has only two fights left in him. Unfortunately he just hasn't enough time left.

Yeah that seems to be true for Joe. Can't see him being considered P4P 1. He's left it a bit late i guess.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Lately he's made a great arguement for his ATG status though. I feel he is certainly an ATG Super Middleweight, although that is helped by the lack of history in the division I guess.

[buhlestnoble]

Fair points and a well constructed argument Hitmandonny BUT I don’t think joe has ever really been a KO artist, certainly not a one puch KO artist, most of his stoppages have come through volume of punches…TKOs. He still hits hard, he hurt Kessler.

Hitmandonny who has the best physical game in the sport in your opinion then? Mayweather? He has shown physical fragility over the years particularly regarding his hands

Also I don’t know how you can judge that his punch resistance has diminished, he has been in with some big hitters recently in Kessler and lacy and stood up superbly.

Judging his power on the Kessler fight is difficult. Kessler has never been down as an amateur or a pro. Bika has never lost by KO even to a regarded heavy hitter in Lucian Bute. Lacy has shown to have a great chin aswell.

The bottom line, most championship fights between the very best boxers end up going the distance like jones v Hopkins, mayweather vs de la hoya, calzaghe v Kessler. This is why mayweathers record doesn’t have the best KO % as he has fought so many championship bouts, this is why calzaghes KO% in recent fights has been lower than his average, he has been fighting the very best opposition, most good fighters have good chins. Mayweathers lowish KO% doesnt mean he cant punch, look what happened to hatton. In the end hatton’s assumption that mayweather couldn’t hurt him was a fatal error in his tactics and preparation. Hopkins wont make that mistake against Calzaghe that’s for sure, if he does he will end up on his back!

I think its hard to say that calzaghes power has diminished because of his hands. When they are broken or hurting then yes, he takes something off his punches consciously. Although, I don’t believe calzaghe takes weight of his biggest punches in a fight based on fear for his hands. When a fighter goes for the big shots there is no time for doubt or consciously only putting say 90% effort into your powershots. The day that happens the day you lose and end up on your back. His hands were fine against Kessler and I am sure he put everything into his shots, any apparent loss of power probably wouldn’t have anything to do with his hands. People said the same of mayweather and his hands and look what happened to hatton. A fighters natural KO power is probably the last thing that he loses as he ages. Certainly its always a threat in the first few founds while a fighters stamina is still there.

[Kel]

"Hopkins is a great boxer but overrated. When you look at his record the only other genuine middleweight greats he ever fought, jones and taylor (not a great imo), he lost to. His best wins came against fighters he had significant physical advantages over…de la hoya, Trinidad, wright and tarver who had to lose 40lbs to make weight. Joe will be rated above him one day"

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

No one will have a shot at # 1(I know Pac is some people's #1) until Floyd retires... Calzaghe is a great fighter. No doubt... But there is just no ultra great superstars that he'd be able to go up against that would sway people in that way... I mean, Floyd is fighting the Delahoyas and the Hattons... Calzaghe is fighting the Hokins and Kesslers... They are the very best he can find right now and he gets credit from me but niether of those fighters will catapult him to #1. If Calzaghe beats Pavlik he might reach in the top three... But one... no. Not even two as Pac is solidly there.

Welcome to the board!

[Tins06]

Got to agree there is nothing Joe can do to get himself p4p no1 spot or 2 really.You can make point after point but it boils down to a simple thing in the end..The names just aint there for Joe.

[buhlestnoble]

Fair points ICB. Mayweather is top of my p4p too of course. Its interesting that you post his record up though and what strikes me is that to a casual boxing fan there probably aren’t that many big names there. Don’t get me wrong his unbeaten record is 1st class but perhaps equally strong in his argument to be p4p best is the skills he has dazzled us with.

Its interesting though that imo calzaghes record stands up pretty well actually and its growing faster than and certainly catching up with mayweather’s. Some wins over good quality fighters, former respected world champs and this has been validated in many ways by the Kessler victory. But in many ways like mayweather, its been the way that calzaghe has been so dominating in most of his fights, certainly in the big ones that makes him a very strong p4p contender.

On mayweathers opposition you have to admit that apart from de la hoya there isn’t another current legitimate super fighter in his record. Castillo and corrales are very good but not in the de la hoya league. I often think if de la hoya had fought mayweathers opposition (de la hoya started as a superfeather weight like floyd) he probably would have the same unbeaten record and this view leads to interesting questions. Mayweathers recent opposition has been a bit disappointing, he pretty much skipped the light welter weight division entirely and still hasn’t fought any genuine current welterweight champ (baldomir was no undisputed champ).

Calzaghe for me has one thing mayweather hasn’t achieved and that’s a win over an unbeaten champion fighter at his prime at his own weight class….like Kessler and even lacy who was hugely rated and expected to win. Hatton at welter doesn’t count as he was too small. The closeness of the de la hoya fight in many ways validates my opinion, for me he NEEDS TO FIGHT COTTO before I close the book. As it happens I do think he will win that one and then I agree the door would be pretty much shut on calzaghe but to say that joe cant even make no 2 on the list is crazy!

[ICB]

Fair points ICB. Mayweather is top of my p4p too of course. Its interesting that you post his record up though and what strikes me is that to a casual boxing fan there probably aren’t that many big names there. Don’t get me wrong his unbeaten record is 1st class but perhaps equally strong in his argument to be p4p best is the skills he has dazzled us with.

Its interesting though that imo calzaghes record stands up pretty well actually and its growing faster than and certainly catching up with mayweather’s. Some wins over good quality fighters, former respected world champs and this has been validated in many ways by the Kessler victory. But in many ways like mayweather, its been the way that calzaghe has been so dominating in most of his fights, certainly in the big ones that makes him a very strong p4p contender.

On mayweathers opposition you have to admit that apart from de la hoya there isn’t another current legitimate super fighter in his record. Castillo and corrales are very good but not in the de la hoya league. I often think if de la hoya had fought mayweathers opposition (de la hoya started as a superfeather weight like floyd) he probably would have the same unbeaten record and this view leads to interesting questions. Mayweathers recent opposition has been a bit disappointing, he pretty much skipped the light welter weight division entirely and still hasn’t fought any genuine current welterweight champ (baldomir was no undisputed champ).

Calzaghe for me has one thing mayweather hasn’t achieved and that’s a win over an unbeaten champion fighter at his prime at his own weight class….like Kessler and even lacy who was hugely rated and expected to win. Hatton at welter doesn’t count as he was too small. The closeness of the de la hoya fight in many ways validates my opinion, for me he NEEDS TO FIGHT COTTO before I close the book. As it happens I do think he will win that one and then I agree the door would be pretty much shut on calzaghe but to say that joe cant even make no 2 on the list is crazy!

Gernaro Hernandez had never been beaten at Super Featherweight and had a win over the great Azumah Nelson, Corrales was also a P4P fighter. Im not really going to break down Mayweather's opposition because i have had this discussion to many times. But IMO Mayweather's opposition is much better than Calzaghe's no question. Fighters like Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, are decent wins but all 3 of those fighters were shot and Woodhall, Brewer were coming off bad losses, and Eubank was a late replacement. No doubt Calzaghe has beat the best in the division but that doesn't mean its been good opposition though. And sorry bro but i couldn't disagree with you more with your last statement i'll copy and paste it.

Calzaghe for me has one thing mayweather hasn't achieved and that's a win over an unbeaten champion fighter at his prime at his own weight class.

Totally disagree Corrales was young and an unbeaten champion. Plus he was in the top 10 P4P rankings i believe he was ranked 7th or something like that. Most experts had that 50-50 match up and Mayweather just destroyed Corrales flooring him x5 times.

[Dark Lord Al]

Fair points ICB. Mayweather is top of my p4p too of course. Its interesting that you post his record up though and what strikes me is that to a casual boxing fan there probably aren’t that many big names there. Don’t get me wrong his unbeaten record is 1st class but perhaps equally strong in his argument to be p4p best is the skills he has dazzled us with.

Its interesting though that imo calzaghes record stands up pretty well actually and its growing faster than and certainly catching up with mayweather’s. Some wins over good quality fighters, former respected world champs and this has been validated in many ways by the Kessler victory. But in many ways like mayweather, its been the way that calzaghe has been so dominating in most of his fights, certainly in the big ones that makes him a very strong p4p contender.

On mayweathers opposition you have to admit that apart from de la hoya there isn’t another current legitimate super fighter in his record. Castillo and corrales are very good but not in the de la hoya league. I often think if de la hoya had fought mayweathers opposition (de la hoya started as a superfeather weight like floyd) he probably would have the same unbeaten record and this view leads to interesting questions. Mayweathers recent opposition has been a bit disappointing, he pretty much skipped the light welter weight division entirely and still hasn’t fought any genuine current welterweight champ (baldomir was no undisputed champ).

Calzaghe for me has one thing mayweather hasn’t achieved and that’s a win over an unbeaten champion fighter at his prime at his own weight class….like Kessler and even lacy who was hugely rated and expected to win. Hatton at welter doesn’t count as he was too small. The closeness of the de la hoya fight in many ways validates my opinion, for me he NEEDS TO FIGHT COTTO before I close the book. As it happens I do think he will win that one and then I agree the door would be pretty much shut on calzaghe but to say that joe cant even make no 2 on the list is crazy!

Gernaro Hernandez had never been beaten at Super Featherweight and had a win over the great Azumah Nelson, Corrales was also a P4P fighter. Im not really going to break down Mayweather's opposition because i have had this discussion to many times. But IMO Mayweather's opposition is much better than Calzaghe's no question. Fighters like Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, are decent wins but all 3 of those fighters were shot and Woodhall, Brewer were coming off bad losses, and Eubank was a late replacement. No doubt Calzaghe has beat the best in the division but that doesn't mean its been good opposition though. And sorry bro but i couldn't disagree with you more with your last statement i'll copy and paste it.

Calzaghe for me has one thing mayweather hasn't achieved and that's a win over an unbeaten champion fighter at his prime at his own weight class.

Totally disagree Corrales was young and an unbeaten champion. Plus he was in the top 10 P4P rankings i believe he was ranked 7th or something like that. Most experts had that 50-50 match up and Mayweather just destroyed Corrales flooring him x5 times.

YES ICE I DONT THINK IN THE FUTURE PEOPLE WILL REGARD KESSLER AS THE SAME CLASS AS CORRALES . CALZAGHE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING IN THE SAME BREATH AS MAYWEATHER.
HES FOUGHT IN A WEAK DIVISION FOR 10 YEARS.

[LondonBB]

YES ICE I DONT THINK IN THE FUTURE PEOPLE WILL REGARD KESSLER AS THE SAME CLASS AS CORRALES . CALZAGHE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING IN THE SAME BREATH AS MAYWEATHER.
HES FOUGHT IN A WEAK DIVISION FOR 10 YEARS.

And this is where we totally disagree.

You say that calzaghe is not close to mayweather...yet i specifically wrote IF HE BEATS HOPKINS, PAVLIK AND THE WINNER OF THE CURRENT 4 OTHER LIGHT HEAVIES HAVING THEIR LIL ELIMINATOR RIGHT NOW.

That means he goes over to usa and fights their 3 best champs at light heavy and pavlik presumabely at super middle and beats them all (if he does).

So you are saying that someone who retires UNBEATEN, UNDISPUTED CHAMP WITH ALL BELTS AT SUPER MIDDLE AND LIGHT HEAVY FOR 12 YEARS, who has beaten the likes of eubank, lacy, kessler, hopkins, tarver and pavlik (because i think he will come to the usa and beat all of the american champs, although of course i might be wrong, we will have to wait and see though).

Your saying that this person does not rank up there with mayweather?

Sorry guys, personally i feel kessler will dominate over miranda, taylor, wright and dominate any other fighter he faces, i think kessler will easily become undisputed super middle champ when joe has retired and move upto light heavy to be a champ at light heavy also.

One thing i cant understand is the fuss people make over roy jones. WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE SLAMMING HIM for another 'tune up fight' against 'bayer'? Kessler knocked the crap out of bayer.

Why the hell is jones wanting to fight bayer, that to me is pathetic.

Roy jones was allegedly at his peak when he beat ruiz and beat tarver hte first time...yet his rematch with tarver (where he gets clear cut ko'd) was only 6 months later What the hell? How can someone suddenly be 'past it' after 6 months?

So when hopkins loses, the excuses will be 'Calzaghe is not a great fighter, he just fought a 'past it' hopkins'.

When pavlik is ko'd or battered (his style is perfect for joe to use his speed and combo's against) the excuse will be 'pavlik is moving up and is too inexperienced'.

When calzaghe beats dawson the excuses will be 'hes been overhyped aka jeff lacy was, we (the american media) have overhyped him too much, calzaghe isnt that good, its just dawson was actually a bum that we overhyped'.

If calzaghe beats tarver 'tarver is past it now'.

If woods beats tarver in the eliminator fight then faces calzaghe and calzaghe beats woods then the excuse is 'woods is a crap fighter anyway' (yet woods was probably the best fighter at light heavy that jones ever beat).

If calzaghe beats johnson 'oh hes past it'.

Basically anything he does, even if he beats the whole lot will be met with excuses...and im sorry guys but if calzaghe were to face AND BEAT...

Tarver, johnson, pavlik, hopkins, dawson and woods...then hes easily best p4p out there.

The whole fact (and this is what i believe), ive been watching joe box now for about 6 years! JOE ISNT AT HIS PEAK ANYMORE EITHER! People say his next bout is a 'prime calzaghe vs a past it hopkins', well hopkins doesnt look past it to me, a win against tarver and winky both at light heavy? Hopkins doesnt say hes past it either, he says hes game!

I think that a lot of people dont realise just how special calzaghe is and love to make excuses like 'he doesnt punch straight' HAHAHHAA, HAHAHA, to me that is so stupid, 'he doesnt punch straight' lol...have you been watching calzaghe for years? Calzaghe punches EVERYWHERE! He has in fighting, out fighting, scrapping, bossing and counter fighting, exceptional stamina and no matter what people say he has good power (although not the best)...how can anyone say this guy doesnt have good physical ability? His physical ability is fantastic.

The arguments about his hands are very weak arguments indeed. A great boxer is one who can ADAPT, one who has ring craft and can adapt his game, the fact that calzaghe has adapted his game just shows how clever a boxer he is.

As for p4p...all i know is this. IF calzaghe comes to america and BEATS every us champ that stands in his path, tarver, jones, hopkins, dawson, pavlik etc as far as im concerned there are NO excuses, he is the best...he proves he is the best by BEATING EVERYONE FOR 12 WHOLE YEARS!

Will he do it though? Who knows...we will have to wait and see.

To say that he can never be p4p the best is silly though...lets suppose he challenges samuel peter to a fight? (just theoretically) AND HE BEATS PETER Peter is a far superior heavyweight to ruiz (who jones beat)...so your saying that even if he beats peter (im not saying he would, this is hypothetical) then you still wont give him the p4p number 1?

So imagine this, calzaghe beats hopkins, dawson, peter and pavlik all in usa...and people still dont give him the number 1 p4p spot? That would be ridiculous...truly the sign of a hater.

I agree that as things stand at the moment mayweather is p4p number 1. I dont particularly care for p4p as i dont think it means much anyway because someone gave the example of 'scaling fighters to the same weight and size then seeing their skill and fight'...that is totally impossible, you cant do that because scaled upwards fighters would lose speed and stamina (its simple physiology, as the limbs get longer the fulcrum is further from the lever meaning more energy required to throw punches/move) to say that they would be exactly the same fighter but just bigger and at a bigger weight is nonsense...ie imagine a 20 stone 6ft 10 paquiao moving at the same speed he does but with double the power of tyson...is that possible? NO!

If you have been following calzaghe fight for years now like i have then youve seen he is the COMPLETE fighter...he has not fought in the states yet.

I believe that IF he comes to the states and dominates over EVERY american champ he faces, then sorry guys, there are no EXCUSES! He is the best fighter in the world (and joint with mayweather if mayweather beats cotto).

Of course though...should calzaghe beat hopkins, dawson and pavlik...BUT floyd loses to de la hoya or cotto, OOOOOHHHH!!! That would technically make calzaghe p4p number 1 which i know would anger many people and of course they will still refuse to accept this.

Anyway, forgetting p4p as its all hypothetical, i believe calzaghe will come to the states and show the world that he can beat everyone in the whole world.

It will then raise massive doubts of why roy jones did not fight calzaghe? I mean its pointless jones and calzaghe fighting now because joe would most likely ko roy, but roy is way past it now (we all know this) so theres no point them fighting.

Will calzaghe come to america and beat all the usa champs? I believe he will...maybe he will, maybe he wont, we'll have to see.

But what i do know is that the excuse makers and the haters will be there regardless of his performances.

Thanks everyone for participating in the thread, THIS IS A GREAT FORUM WITH GREAT DISCUSSION.

[leftylee]

Fair points ICB. Mayweather is top of my p4p too of course. Its interesting that you post his record up though and what strikes me is that to a casual boxing fan there probably aren’t that many big names there. Don’t get me wrong his unbeaten record is 1st class but perhaps equally strong in his argument to be p4p best is the skills he has dazzled us with.

Its interesting though that imo calzaghes record stands up pretty well actually and its growing faster than and certainly catching up with mayweather’s. Some wins over good quality fighters, former respected world champs and this has been validated in many ways by the Kessler victory. But in many ways like mayweather, its been the way that calzaghe has been so dominating in most of his fights, certainly in the big ones that makes him a very strong p4p contender.

On mayweathers opposition you have to admit that apart from de la hoya there isn’t another current legitimate super fighter in his record. Castillo and corrales are very good but not in the de la hoya league. I often think if de la hoya had fought mayweathers opposition (de la hoya started as a superfeather weight like floyd) he probably would have the same unbeaten record and this view leads to interesting questions. Mayweathers recent opposition has been a bit disappointing, he pretty much skipped the light welter weight division entirely and still hasn’t fought any genuine current welterweight champ (baldomir was no undisputed champ).

Calzaghe for me has one thing mayweather hasn’t achieved and that’s a win over an unbeaten champion fighter at his prime at his own weight class….like Kessler and even lacy who was hugely rated and expected to win. Hatton at welter doesn’t count as he was too small. The closeness of the de la hoya fight in many ways validates my opinion, for me he NEEDS TO FIGHT COTTO before I close the book. As it happens I do think he will win that one and then I agree the door would be pretty much shut on calzaghe but to say that joe cant even make no 2 on the list is crazy!

Gernaro Hernandez had never been beaten at Super Featherweight and had a win over the great Azumah Nelson, Corrales was also a P4P fighter. Im not really going to break down Mayweather's opposition because i have had this discussion to many times. But IMO Mayweather's opposition is much better than Calzaghe's no question. Fighters like Woodhall, Brewer, Eubank, are decent wins but all 3 of those fighters were shot and Woodhall, Brewer were coming off bad losses, and Eubank was a late replacement. No doubt Calzaghe has beat the best in the division but that doesn't mean its been good opposition though. And sorry bro but i couldn't disagree with you more with your last statement i'll copy and paste it.

Calzaghe for me has one thing mayweather hasn't achieved and that's a win over an unbeaten champion fighter at his prime at his own weight class.

Totally disagree Corrales was young and an unbeaten champion. Plus he was in the top 10 P4P rankings i believe he was ranked 7th or something like that. Most experts had that 50-50 match up and Mayweather just destroyed Corrales flooring him x5 times.

good post, I totally agree.