Jones Jr. at Middleweight, re: ducking

[donnydarkoIRL]

Timing beats speed and McClellan had timing in spades.

McClellan had a good enough chin to hang with Jackson twice.
Roy couldn't stop him, sooner or later McClellan would have tagged him.

McClellan had monster power at Middle. I think he would have got the job done

[ICB]

Timing beats speed and McClellan had timing in spades.

McClellan had a good enough chin to hang with Jackson twice.
Roy couldn't stop him, sooner or later McClellan would have tagged him.

McClellan had monster power at Middle. I think he would have got the job done

Jones also had amazing power at Middleweight, he did stop Thomas Tate in 2 rounds, the same Tate who went 12 rounds with Julian Jackson. I think people forget how quick and strong Jones was when he was focused. A lot of the time he used to toy with his opponent's. But if someone forced him to fight he destroyed them. McClellan may of had power and a good chin, but he was also a bit reckless and he didn't have a good defense at all he was easy to catch. McClellan wouldn't be able to just swarm Jones throwing punches from all angles being reckless otherwise he would be KO'd simple as that. Im not saying its out of the question than McClellan could KO Jones. But IMO the only thing McClellan has over Jones in attributes is power and a better chin. Other than that Jones beats McClellan pretty much in all the other attributes.

[donnydarkoIRL]

McClellan was also a better textbook boxer than Roy Jones

[ICB]

McClellan was also a better textbook boxer than Roy Jones

Yes but that wouldn't really matter in this case, because McClellan is very aggressive fighter always coming forward. He doesn't really use his boxing skills. His goes on a seek and destroy mission, and Jones would counter McClellan badly.

[Master]

RJJ would have beaten McClellan if they met. Gerald's only chance was the punch and the prime RJJ could not be caught, he destroyed Marque Sosa who was a big puncher similar to McClellan. Also remember Benn beat him due to him because he did not use his boxing skills and did not have a plan B, if his punches did not have an effect then he was lost.

[cpcompany]

Benn was interviewed plenty of times after the Mcclellan fight saying he wanted to fight Roy Jones. HE also said his game plan was just to brawl because he knew he had no chance in a pure boxing match. I have no idea why it never came off though.

[DaxxKahn]

Truth is the MW division was in a transition at that time...guys on their way out...guys already in negotiations with other top fighters..Jones was also only there about 3 or so years legitimatly...even after he won the title he started fighting SMW and only dropped down for one defense...weight was hard to keep...which is why he did not stay at SMW all that long either....

I don't think anyone ducked anyone be it Roy or guys ducking him...all the big names at the time were tough guys who would fight anyone...just bad timing is all...

I still say this to this day and will more then likely until I die...

Take PBF, Ali, even Ray Robinson's skills at their absolute best and IMO the SMW version of Roy Jones may be the best fighter to ever grace the sport hands down...he was a phenom...He wasn't there long and he was not as good at MW or LHW though he was great all together but the SMW version was something else...

[Taeth]

Timing beats speed and McClellan had timing in spades.

McClellan had a good enough chin to hang with Jackson twice.
Roy couldn't stop him, sooner or later McClellan would have tagged him.

McClellan had monster power at Middle. I think he would have got the job done

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Timing beats speed and McClellan had timing in spades.

McClellan had a good enough chin to hang with Jackson twice.
Roy couldn't stop him, sooner or later McClellan would have tagged him.

McClellan had monster power at Middle. I think he would have got the job done

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

[ICB]

Timing beats speed and McClellan had timing in spades.

McClellan had a good enough chin to hang with Jackson twice.
Roy couldn't stop him, sooner or later McClellan would have tagged him.

McClellan had monster power at Middle. I think he would have got the job done

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

[Fenster]

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins had the reputation of a ferocious frightening deadly puncher that rivaled McClellan, did he?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins at his aggresive best was an accumulative puncher. He hit hard, but a paralell with McClellan is incorrect

[ICB]

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins had the reputation of a ferocious frightening deadly puncher that rivaled McClellan, did he?

Did i say that ?? i said Hopkins had the kind of punch that could set up knockout. If he hit you flush back in those days he most of the time shook his opponent badly which set up the knockout. I never said he was in the league of McClellan's punching power but Hopkins was still a big puncher.

[Fenster]

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins had the reputation of a ferocious frightening deadly puncher that rivaled McClellan, did he?

Did i say that ?? i said Hopkins had the kind of punch that could set up knockout. If he hit you flush back in those days he most of the time shook his opponent badly which set up the knockout. I never said he was in the league of McClellan's punching power but Hopkins was still a big puncher.

OK Icey. I thought maybe you knew something no-one else did. Best for your sake to make that clear.. otherwise you look silly.