Why I hate the P4P rankings

[brucelee]

It's amazing how serioulsy fans take the P4P rankings. It's all utter bollocks.

Joan Guzman would beat half the current ranked P4P top 10 (legit, respected, ) with his eyes closed.. but no-one rates him in the top 10 because even though he possesses a clear sick talent he doesn't have the "names" on his resume.. the very same "names" that wont fight him because he's avoidable..

Just playing devil's advocate here.
If he hasn't been matched up against top-tier opposition how can you be sure his skills are as sick as you claim? You can have all the potential/skills in the world, but until to prove you can beat or compete with the best you do not belong among them IMO. Plenty of guys look great until they meet a Pacquiao or a Hopkins.

Very true. Like MAB being considered as the king of the featherweight after defeating Naz. Then suddenly, a Pacman from nowhere battered him badly...

Anyway, I can not discount the fact that Guzman is quite skillful. Someday, his time to reign will come. As for now, against Pacquaio, we still do not know how he will fare. A win against Soto is not a guarantee that he will also be able to win over Pacquaio. Besides, Pacquaio has deadlier punches than Soto.

All are just speculations.As to the P4P ranking, let's respect that. Those fighters in that list are not there without any reason. One way or the other, they have fought their way to be there.

Lastly, as to the recognition and respect the fighters are getting or not getting, like in Saddo, it is being earned through time and quality fights.

[El Kabong]

Bilbo no one is doubting Ali's greatness (although some vastly overrate him but that's neither here nor there) but he only fought in one fucking division AND he was the biggest fighter in that division and therefore his status at P4P would be limited if he even deserved to be there to begin with.

The P4P is a grouping of non heavyweights to see who is the best non heavyweight either now or all-time and that's why it was created, to give Robinson and Pep and Duran and Leonard etc some credit because the heavyweights already have their place as the premier division and therefore need no special recognition

[Kev]

Bilbo no one is doubting Ali's greatness (although some vastly overrate him but that's neither here nor there) but he only fought in one fucking division AND he was the biggest fighter in that division and therefore his status at P4P would be limited if he even deserved to be there to begin with.

The P4P is a grouping of non heavyweights to see who is the best non heavyweight either now or all-time and that's why it was created, to give Robinson and Pep and Duran and Leonard etc some credit because the heavyweights already have their place as the premier division and therefore need no special recognition

That may be why it was created but its certainly not that any more, at least not the All Time p4p chart.

You're beginning to whine more than me, and that's not easy to do.

[El Kabong]

That may be why it was created but its certainly not that any more, at least not the All Time p4p chart.

You're beginning to whine more than me, and that's not easy to do.

I'm not whining I'm merely explaining the flaws in your logic.


Pound 4 Pound means the best fighting ability, skill, and record in the smallest package and therefore ranking Ali in ANY pound for pound list is idiotic because HE WAS THE BIGGEST FIGHTER OF HIS ERA!!!! I don't know if I can stress that enough

[Kev]

That may be why it was created but its certainly not that any more, at least not the All Time p4p chart.

You're beginning to whine more than me, and that's not easy to do.

I'm not whining I'm merely explaining the flaws in your logic.


Pound 4 Pound means the best fighting ability, skill, and record in the smallest package and therefore ranking Ali in ANY pound for pound list is idiotic because HE WAS THE BIGGEST FIGHTER OF HIS ERA!!!! I don't know if I can stress that enough

That's exactly what I said too

I don't think p4p means that at all, not any more at any rate.

My own definition of p4p would be

A determination of a fighter's ability and boxing prowess irrespective of his size.

Let me ask you this. If the best fighter in the world, as in most dominant, most eye catching, quickest, slickest boxer was a heavyweight should he be omitted from the p4p list almost as if he doesn't exist because he's a heavyweight?

This wouldn't be a problem if the heavyweight champ was introduced as the 'best fighter in the world' but I've never heard that.

However Floyd always get acknowledeged as the universally recognised p4p best fighter in the world today whenever he fights.

Personally I think if the best fighter in the world happened to be a heavyweight, then he should get that title.

Ultimately I agree with you regarding the origin of the p4p term, but who cares?

Back then when it was invented we had 15 round fights, maybe longer, only 8 weight classes and not nearly as much television coverage.

Back then the heavyweights were the glamour division.

Nowadays the spotlight has completely shifted into the lower divisions. In fact its now the heavyweights that need recognition over the welter and feather weight fighters!