Why I hate the P4P rankings

[Kev]

Bilbo no one is doubting Ali's greatness (although some vastly overrate him but that's neither here nor there) but he only fought in one fucking division AND he was the biggest fighter in that division and therefore his status at P4P would be limited if he even deserved to be there to begin with.

The P4P is a grouping of non heavyweights to see who is the best non heavyweight either now or all-time and that's why it was created, to give Robinson and Pep and Duran and Leonard etc some credit because the heavyweights already have their place as the premier division and therefore need no special recognition

That may be why it was created but its certainly not that any more, at least not the All Time p4p chart.

You're beginning to whine more than me, and that's not easy to do.

[El Kabong]

That may be why it was created but its certainly not that any more, at least not the All Time p4p chart.

You're beginning to whine more than me, and that's not easy to do.

I'm not whining I'm merely explaining the flaws in your logic.


Pound 4 Pound means the best fighting ability, skill, and record in the smallest package and therefore ranking Ali in ANY pound for pound list is idiotic because HE WAS THE BIGGEST FIGHTER OF HIS ERA!!!! I don't know if I can stress that enough

[Kev]

That may be why it was created but its certainly not that any more, at least not the All Time p4p chart.

You're beginning to whine more than me, and that's not easy to do.

I'm not whining I'm merely explaining the flaws in your logic.


Pound 4 Pound means the best fighting ability, skill, and record in the smallest package and therefore ranking Ali in ANY pound for pound list is idiotic because HE WAS THE BIGGEST FIGHTER OF HIS ERA!!!! I don't know if I can stress that enough

That's exactly what I said too

I don't think p4p means that at all, not any more at any rate.

My own definition of p4p would be

A determination of a fighter's ability and boxing prowess irrespective of his size.

Let me ask you this. If the best fighter in the world, as in most dominant, most eye catching, quickest, slickest boxer was a heavyweight should he be omitted from the p4p list almost as if he doesn't exist because he's a heavyweight?

This wouldn't be a problem if the heavyweight champ was introduced as the 'best fighter in the world' but I've never heard that.

However Floyd always get acknowledeged as the universally recognised p4p best fighter in the world today whenever he fights.

Personally I think if the best fighter in the world happened to be a heavyweight, then he should get that title.

Ultimately I agree with you regarding the origin of the p4p term, but who cares?

Back then when it was invented we had 15 round fights, maybe longer, only 8 weight classes and not nearly as much television coverage.

Back then the heavyweights were the glamour division.

Nowadays the spotlight has completely shifted into the lower divisions. In fact its now the heavyweights that need recognition over the welter and feather weight fighters!