If Tony would have just let his hands go, you think he would have beat Williams?

[SigmaMu]

That is what plagues Tony at times. He starts slow and waits and waits...

Then in the next fight he comes out like a fireball and overwhelms his opponent. If he only would do the punches in punches routine every fight, he would knock all his opponents into a defensive shell and either outwork them or KO them.

One of the most frustrating guys to watch for sure. We all know the powerful physical gifts he possesses, but sometimes he just does not use them. He then loses a fight that you know he could have won. Bitter F*cking aftertaste for sure.

I was just watching an interview where he promises never to start slow again. He said he is going to come out swinging from the first bell. I think Kermit is going to get knocked out again.

[Deanrw]

That is what plagues Tony at times. He starts slow and waits and waits...

Then in the next fight he comes out like a fireball and overwhelms his opponent. If he only would do the punches in punches routine every fight, he would knock all his opponents into a defensive shell and either outwork them or KO them.

One of the most frustrating guys to watch for sure. We all know the powerful physical gifts he possesses, but sometimes he just does not use them. He then loses a fight that you know he could have won. Bitter F*cking aftertaste for sure.

I was just watching an interview where he promises never to start slow again. He said he is going to come out swinging from the first bell. I think Kermit is going to get knocked out again.

If he sticks by that promise, he'll end up fighting Cotto. Fight of the Decade anyone? Two of my favorites in the ring together trading bombs. It just does not get better than that. To me that would be like Miranda vs Pavlik supercharged..

[Spicoli]

That is what plagues Tony at times. He starts slow and waits and waits...

Then in the next fight he comes out like a fireball and overwhelms his opponent. If he only would do the punches in punches routine every fight, he would knock all his opponents into a defensive shell and either outwork them or KO them.

One of the most frustrating guys to watch for sure. We all know the powerful physical gifts he possesses, but sometimes he just does not use them. He then loses a fight that you know he could have won. Bitter F*cking aftertaste for sure.

I was just watching an interview where he promises never to start slow again. He said he is going to come out swinging from the first bell. I think Kermit is going to get knocked out again.

Indeed,He wont be taking knees on his own this time.....He'll get posted cord wood style.Cintron has all the tools but his mind is full of self concern I believe,He will be having battle field flashbacks and caught once again in between his "wanting" to do something and his worry about what will come back at him...........Imo of course

[DaxxKahn]

It was certainly the late start that hurt him..not letting his hands go early...He was never hurt or in no way dominated...Tony beat Tony that night.....Margarito has never been soundly beaten since like 97 or 98 and if not mistaken had just started fighting in the states.....

If Tony beats Cintron..(he will)...Williams will want a shot at him no matter if he loses to Quintana again or not because he thinks he is a better fighter then Tony

[Pugilistic]

if he let his hands go early i feel he could of won, but i don't think it would be as easy as that. williams workrate prevented him from throwing plenty. it was when williams slowed down that margarito was able to get his shots off

[El Gamo]

Margarito lost that fight,I said it at the time and I still believe it. Not many people mention but he showed tremendous improvement with his defence. I mean I was wowed by the amount of punches he was blocking,it was awesome but he didn't know how to combine that with counter punching so what ended up happening is that he was blockingthrowing 10(which were much harder than Pauls) but PW was throwing like a million more.This is reflected in% landed,which were almost identical despite PW throwing hundreds more. Had he let his hands go but kept the good defence,he would have won that fight. PW seemed to be getting more and more drained with every fight.

I was also dissappointed because Tony didn't use the southpaw stance he uses at times,he dodn't go to teh body enough and yeah,he didn't let his hands go anywhere enough. I would still give PW the advantage because of the faster hands but if he slowed even a bit and if Tony starts faster,he can definitely win.

[RozzySean]

Margarito lost that fight,I said it at the time and I still believe it. Not many people mention but he showed tremendous improvement with his defence. I mean I was wowed by the amount of punches he was blocking,it was awesome but he didn't know how to combine that with counter punching so what ended up happening is that he was blockingthrowing 10(which were much harder than Pauls) but PW was throwing like a million more.This is reflected in% landed,which were almost identical despite PW throwing hundreds more. Had he let his hands go but kept the good defence,he would have won that fight. PW seemed to be getting more and more drained with every fight.

I was also dissappointed because Tony didn't use the southpaw stance he uses at times,he dodn't go to teh body enough and yeah,he didn't let his hands go anywhere enough. I would still give PW the advantage because of the faster hands but if he slowed even a bit and if Tony starts faster,he can definitely win.

A lot factors came together for Tony to lose. You make a good point, Gamo, that Tony's defense was damn good in that fight. He was picking off punches left and right, but he couldn't transition from defense to offense. He might have focused too much on defense. That's one of the problems with using your hands all the time to block and defend. It doesn't create as many counterpunchering opportunities as slipping and using lateral movement. When a guy is throwning 100+ punchers per round and you are relying almost exclusively on your hands for defense, it hard to get your own punches off. You are too busy using them to parry and block.

You have two options against a guy like that. You need to either take the initiative and impose your will on the volume puncher, or you slip more so your hands are free to counter (like Quintana did). Even better, you do what Campbell did to Diaz and use aggression AND movement to beat the swarmer.

When Tony brought the fight to Williams and dictated the action he won rounds. When he let Williams dictate the action, Williams won rounds, even though he never really hurt Tony. Unfortunately for Tony, he let Williams dictate the action to him in more rounds.

[Macho]

About Quintana i think he will win again in a rematch with Williams , but if he comes with other strategies , is possible that Williams readed his last fight , so if Quintana comes with something different he will win.....about Margarito i think he has difficulty to fight with southpaw boxer , that was ones of problems that he got including when he started late to have the lead of the fight........

[Bx730NY]

I think the only reason he was able to pick up the pace in the first fight is because Paul slowed a bit. He couldn't fight at a faster pace with 100+ punches hitting him flush in the face every round wether they were pitty pat or not.

Quintana was a different animal. He never stood in front of him long enough for him to get into a rythm and countered beatifully. Tony did the right thing fighting Cintron and not Quintana because he has a much better chance with Cintron and he'll likely get his chance at a good payday with Cotto if he wins.

Tony can't beat Quintana.