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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    It should also be noted that, despite the claims the fight was stolen from Miranda, that the 1st fight would have been scored a majority draw without the point deductions. 2 judges would've have it a draw (they scored it 114-109) and 1 judge would've had Abraham winning by a round (115-109).
    Actually AA would have won even without the point deductions...

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    source: boxrec.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    It should also be noted that, despite the claims the fight was stolen from Miranda, that the 1st fight would have been scored a majority draw without the point deductions. 2 judges would've have it a draw (they scored it 114-109) and 1 judge would've had Abraham winning by a round (115-109).
    Actually AA would have won even without the point deductions...

    114-109
    115-109
    116-109

    source: boxrec.com
    Yea, but the deductions were very harsh.
    The headbutt, although was intentional, was not hard and in retaliation to Abraham constent holding. Most times a ref would let this go with a warning. If you watch the fight, even Neuman was letting it go with just a warning until Abraham dramatised an injury and walked to his corner.

    The lowblows were questionable and never lower than the beltline. To me, these deductions were absurd. How many times do you watch fights and these guys hit around the belt line? It is part of boxing and they are usually ignored or the ref may ask to keep them up. Miranda never one time hit Abraham in the balls. Usually that is when a penalty may be given (after one or two warnings).
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    Bottom line- If the first fight was in America Miranda wins by TKO in round 5. That is pretty much agreed by everyone. Here, when a doctor and the fighter say they can't continue, the ref stops the fight.

    And for if by some crazy reason the fight DID continue, I dont see any other ref deductioning Miranda these points. Possibly the headbutt since Abraham acted so well, but not for any lowblows for sure.

    I love the controversy though! It will make for a great 2nd fight. I hope Showtime is allowed to show the first battle (and in HD) to build up this rematch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantera View Post
    Bottom line- If the first fight was in America Miranda wins by TKO in round 5. That is pretty much agreed by everyone. Here, when a doctor and the fighter say they can't continue, the ref stops the fight.

    And for if by some crazy reason the fight DID continue, I dont see any other ref deductioning Miranda these points. Possibly the headbutt since Abraham acted so well, but not for any lowblows for sure.

    I love the controversy though! It will make for a great 2nd fight. I hope Showtime is allowed to show the first battle (and in HD) to build up this rematch!
    Yeah, as long as the broken jaw was from a legal blow, which I believe it was, they had every right to award Miranda a TKO.

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    I gotta give a lot of credit to Abraham for taking this rematch. With the 1st fight both guys have got something to prove!

    I feel Abraham will win, if he fights smart he'll have an easier time but Miranda won't will be dangerous the whole way!
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    Default Re: Abraham-Miranda II sign and sealed for June 21st!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    It should also be noted that, despite the claims the fight was stolen from Miranda, that the 1st fight would have been scored a majority draw without the point deductions. 2 judges would've have it a draw (they scored it 114-109) and 1 judge would've had Abraham winning by a round (115-109).
    Actually AA would have won even without the point deductions...

    114-109
    115-109
    116-109

    source: boxrec.com
    Interesting, I didn't check boxrec, just got the scores from an article written about the fight.

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