Now that's I've watch it sober - here's my Calz-Hop card - any comments?

[Violent Demise]

Hopkins ONLY won the fight 115-112 to someone that confused the white guy with the black guy. Fact.

OK,

I left for Mexico the morning after the fight, and I haven't had chance to comment on the result. I also like to watch a fight more than once before I start a thread. Yesterday I rewatched the fight closely with the sound off and scored it. I was drinking when I watched it the first time, and I came away thinking that Joe won clearly. I remember thinking the Lederman card was pretty good. With the sober second watching, I came to different conclusion - Joe won - barely - and there were enough swing rounds that I can see why Hopkins fans are pissed. I like Joe, but I'm not his biggest fan, and I appreciate Hopkins. In fact, I really paid attention to some of the inside fighting that is easy to miss drunk and easy to miss if you aren't a strong judge. Enough talking.

Here's my card. I'm noting all the rounds that I consider swing rounds.

H - C

1 10 8
2 10 9 (swing)
3 10 9
4 9 10 (swing)
5 10 9 (swing)
6 9 10 (swing)
7 10 9 (swing)
8 9 10
9 9 10
10 9 10 (swing)
11 9 10
12 9 10 (swing)

Hopkins 113 Calzaghe 114

Swing rounds won - Hopkins 3, Calzaghe 4.

That's a damn close fight. I think Hopkins gets penalized for fighting ugly and holding. I also think that other than the first rounds, even though Hopkins land more of the really meaningful punches, they didn't have much effect on Calzaghe. If Hopkins punchers were as effective as he claims, Calzaghe should have been getting weaker as the time went on and showing effects of the blows. Still, close, close fight. Calz got SD and that's about what he deserved, but he's didn't lose or get stuck with a draw.

Sober or not. My opinion of you don't change. You still a fukking idiot. Hopkins won the fight 115-112.

No, Calzaghe won by that score. He was the white one.

Hopefully Calzaghe will have half a dozen more fights so that VD can continue to get it wrong then go into denial after every fight.

Calzaghe and his groupies. They do make me laugh.

[Kirkland Laing]

Calzaghe and his groupies. They do make me laugh.

Not as much as you make us laugh at your reaction every time Calzaghe beats somebody you picked to beat him.

[HattonTheHammer]

Hopkins ONLY won the fight 115-112 to someone that confused the white guy with the black guy. Fact.

No, Calzaghe won by that score. He was the white one.

Hopefully Calzaghe will have half a dozen more fights so that VD can continue to get it wrong then go into denial after every fight.

Calzaghe and his groupies. They do make me laugh.

thank the good lord you werent scoring holyfield-lewis II, you probably still would of had evander winning by 3-4 rounds.

At the time of the fight i like 95% of brits up at 3 in the morning were watching it with a complete undecisive view just hoping joe had done enough to win the fight, commentary teams on setanta and bbc radio both suggested hopkins was coming out on top and duke mckenzie even scored it 115-114 to hopkins at the end.

Ive since seen the fight sober twice over and both times ive had calzaghe 115-112

Only person in Las vegas who actually believed hopkins had won the fight was a female american judge - you couldnt make it up could you!!

[1g5a22]

Hopkins ONLY won the fight 115-112 to someone that confused the white guy with the black guy. Fact.

Hopefully Calzaghe will have half a dozen more fights so that VD can continue to get it wrong then go into denial after every fight.

Calzaghe and his groupies. They do make me laugh.

thank the good lord you werent scoring holyfield-lewis II, you probably still would of had evander winning by 3-4 rounds.

At the time of the fight i like 95% of brits up at 3 in the morning were watching it with a complete undecisive view just hoping joe had done enough to win the fight, commentary teams on setanta and bbc radio both suggested hopkins was coming out on top and duke mckenzie even scored it 115-114 to hopkins at the end.

Ive since seen the fight sober twice over and both times ive had calzaghe 115-112

Only person in Las vegas who actually believed hopkins had won the fight was a female american judge - you couldnt make it up could you!!

WELL ANY FIGHT MCKENZIE SCORES,IM GOING THE OPPPOSITE WAY,HE PREDICTED LACY AGAINST JOE FOR CHRIST SAKE

and i gotta agree,its a clear UD to calzaghe even if it isnt one of his best performances,the SD was a joke!!

the americans were walking out by round 11,,what did they see that the internet avengers dont,my cousin was there,and like me has been a boxing fan for years,its a clearcut victory.

so what if he didnt look so good,does anyone against hopkins?

[Althugz]

I still havn't met one person outside of these forums that had Calzaghe winning. My trainers, friends, everybody at my boxing gym and everybody at the gym where I work had it for Hopkins.
The version I downloaded was quite jumpy so it was hard to watch. I wanna watch it again. Can't make a proper decision otherwise.

[1g5a22]

I still havn't met one person outside of these forums that had Calzaghe winning. My trainers, friends, everybody at my boxing gym and everybody at the gym where I work had it for Hopkins.
The version I downloaded was quite jumpy so it was hard to watch. I wanna watch it again. Can't make a proper decision otherwise.

u need to meet more people them,,,,iv watched it twice,and joe wins by UD everytime.

[Althugz]

I still havn't met one person outside of these forums that had Calzaghe winning. My trainers, friends, everybody at my boxing gym and everybody at the gym where I work had it for Hopkins.
The version I downloaded was quite jumpy so it was hard to watch. I wanna watch it again. Can't make a proper decision otherwise.

u need to meet more people them,,,,iv watched it twice,and joe wins by UD everytime.

Welcome to the forum toolbag, I guess the only reason I need to meet more people is because of all of the people that I have discussed the fight with (and i've dicussed it with many - a lot of people in the boxing business too) none of them agree with your opinion? Good theory...
Do one, shit for brains.

[HattonTheHammer]

Calzaghe and his groupies. They do make me laugh.

thank the good lord you werent scoring holyfield-lewis II, you probably still would of had evander winning by 3-4 rounds.

At the time of the fight i like 95% of brits up at 3 in the morning were watching it with a complete undecisive view just hoping joe had done enough to win the fight, commentary teams on setanta and bbc radio both suggested hopkins was coming out on top and duke mckenzie even scored it 115-114 to hopkins at the end.

Ive since seen the fight sober twice over and both times ive had calzaghe 115-112

Only person in Las vegas who actually believed hopkins had won the fight was a female american judge - you couldnt make it up could you!!

WELL ANY FIGHT MCKENZIE SCORES,IM GOING THE OPPPOSITE WAY,HE PREDICTED LACY AGAINST JOE FOR CHRIST SAKE

and i gotta agree,its a clear UD to calzaghe even if it isnt one of his best performances,the SD was a joke!!

the americans were walking out by round 11,,what did they see that the internet avengers dont,my cousin was there,and like me has been a boxing fan for years,its a clearcut victory.

so what if he didnt look so good,does anyone against hopkins?

LMAO

poor dukey is beggining to get a reputation for going over the top with american boxers.

I distinctly remember driving home from work the night of the calzaghe-lacy fight and hearing him rant on about how jeff lacy would be in a different league and would probably force a late stoppage.

[Dizaster]

I'm surprised that no one has actually commented on the knockdown at the start.. I do agree that it would be classed as a knockdown, and Joe genuinally lossed is balance from the punch (squared his feet up), then he fell backwards because he was off balance..

I almost thought for a second though that the ref wasn't going to score it a knockdown, because although hopkins did land the good punch, he also pretty much pushed Joe over as soon as he realised Joe was off balance...
I may be remembering it totally wrong, but that was my genuine impression of it at the time..

If someone could post a youtube of it I would highly appreciate it so I can see if my first impressions were correct of Hopkins helping him onto his back with a little forward momentum