Now that's I've watch it sober - here's my Calz-Hop card - any comments?

[RozzySean]

OK,

I left for Mexico the morning after the fight, and I haven't had chance to comment on the result. I also like to watch a fight more than once before I start a thread. Yesterday I rewatched the fight closely with the sound off and scored it. I was drinking when I watched it the first time, and I came away thinking that Joe won clearly. I remember thinking the Lederman card was pretty good. With the sober second watching, I came to different conclusion - Joe won - barely - and there were enough swing rounds that I can see why Hopkins fans are pissed. I like Joe, but I'm not his biggest fan, and I appreciate Hopkins. In fact, I really paid attention to some of the inside fighting that is easy to miss drunk and easy to miss if you aren't a strong judge. Enough talking.

Here's my card. I'm noting all the rounds that I consider swing rounds.

H - C

1 10 8
2 10 9 (swing)
3 10 9
4 9 10 (swing)
5 10 9 (swing)
6 9 10 (swing)
7 10 9 (swing)
8 9 10
9 9 10
10 9 10 (swing)
11 9 10
12 9 10 (swing)

Hopkins 113 Calzaghe 114

Swing rounds won - Hopkins 3, Calzaghe 4.

That's a damn close fight. I think Hopkins gets penalized for fighting ugly and holding. I also think that other than the first rounds, even though Hopkins land more of the really meaningful punches, they didn't have much effect on Calzaghe. If Hopkins punchers were as effective as he claims, Calzaghe should have been getting weaker as the time went on and showing effects of the blows. Still, close, close fight. Calz got SD and that's about what he deserved, but he's didn't lose or get stuck with a draw.

Sober or not. My opinion of you don't change. You still a fukking idiot. Hopkins won the fight 115-112.

Didn't know you had a bad opinion of me. Don't forget, this isn't fanboy SEANIE. It's just funny to see, a normally intelligent and humorously abrasive poster turns into such a nuthugging fanboy when your man loses.

And considering how close fukkin 7 of the rounds were, seeing the fight 7-5 Cal instead of 7-5 Hopkins isn't such a big difference to call someone an idiot. You're being a nuthugging douche. If you admit it was only 115-112 Hopkins, that's all the evidence we need that it was probably a win for Calzaghe. I'll take your opinion seriously to you when you're talking about fighters who you don't want to blow.

[Violent Demise]

OK,

I left for Mexico the morning after the fight, and I haven't had chance to comment on the result. I also like to watch a fight more than once before I start a thread. Yesterday I rewatched the fight closely with the sound off and scored it. I was drinking when I watched it the first time, and I came away thinking that Joe won clearly. I remember thinking the Lederman card was pretty good. With the sober second watching, I came to different conclusion - Joe won - barely - and there were enough swing rounds that I can see why Hopkins fans are pissed. I like Joe, but I'm not his biggest fan, and I appreciate Hopkins. In fact, I really paid attention to some of the inside fighting that is easy to miss drunk and easy to miss if you aren't a strong judge. Enough talking.

Here's my card. I'm noting all the rounds that I consider swing rounds.

H - C

1 10 8
2 10 9 (swing)
3 10 9
4 9 10 (swing)
5 10 9 (swing)
6 9 10 (swing)
7 10 9 (swing)
8 9 10
9 9 10
10 9 10 (swing)
11 9 10
12 9 10 (swing)

Hopkins 113 Calzaghe 114

Swing rounds won - Hopkins 3, Calzaghe 4.

That's a damn close fight. I think Hopkins gets penalized for fighting ugly and holding. I also think that other than the first rounds, even though Hopkins land more of the really meaningful punches, they didn't have much effect on Calzaghe. If Hopkins punchers were as effective as he claims, Calzaghe should have been getting weaker as the time went on and showing effects of the blows. Still, close, close fight. Calz got SD and that's about what he deserved, but he's didn't lose or get stuck with a draw.

Sober or not. My opinion of you don't change. You still a fukking idiot. Hopkins won the fight 115-112.

Didn't know you had a bad opinion of me. Don't forget, this isn't fanboy SEANIE. It's just funny to see, a normally intelligent and humorously abrasive poster turns into such a nuthugging fanboy when your man loses.

And considering how close fukkin 7 of the rounds were, seeing the fight 7-5 Cal instead of 7-5 Hopkins isn't such a big difference to call someone an idiot. You're being a nuthugging douche. If you admit it was only 115-112 Hopkins, that's all the evidence we need that it was probably a win for Calzaghe. I'll take your opinion seriously to you when you're talking about fighters who you don't want to blow.

Oh shitt it's not? Ha! My bad, homie. I thought it was. No I guess you not an idiot. I owe some rep when I can.

I'll ignore the rest of your lame post. Your angry. It's understandable.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

I had it 116-111 for Calslappy

[NUCLEAR BULL]

this was a close fight, i've watched it twice since the night.......... i still cant see how they gave calzaghe 250 landed punches................... it was close, could have gone either way.

my thing is the judge who scored it 116-111 to calzaghe is the same judge who scored it 116-112 for mayweather against de la hoya........ sim fights opposite scores but both with wide margins.......... makes you thing that its a matter of who a judge likes that scores close rounds, if he's a fan, you get the nod, if he's not then the benefit of the doubt goes against you

[zhubin]

I have watched the fight three times...and i still Hopkins should have won a close decision. It all comes down to who LANDED more punches overall and who LANDED cleaner/more effective punches. I think compubox is a complete joke...so please don't use it as proof of Calzaghe out landing Hopkins. Calzaghe could have thrown a million punches...but even after the third time watching this fight...most of his punches neither landed nor were effective. Sure, Hopkins tired out. Sure, Hopkins almost completely relied on one punch (straight right). And yes, he fought ugly towards the end. But that all being said...he landed more, cleaner punches. Joe sure looked busy...but most of his punches either missed or where pitter patter shots that weren't all that effective. American or British...could care less. And i have nothing personal against Joe...seems like a nice guy. I just think Calzaghe is a bit overrated and lost a close fight to a past prime Hopkins.

[1g5a22]

I have watched the fight three times...and i still Hopkins should have won a close decision. It all comes down to who LANDED more punches overall and who LANDED cleaner/more effective punches. I think compubox is a complete joke...so please don't use it as proof of Calzaghe out landing Hopkins. Calzaghe could have thrown a million punches...but even after the third time watching this fight...most of his punches neither landed nor were effective. Sure, Hopkins tired out. Sure, Hopkins almost completely relied on one punch (straight right). And yes, he fought ugly towards the end. But that all being said...he landed more, cleaner punches. Joe sure looked busy...but most of his punches either missed or where pitter patter shots that weren't all that effective. American or British...could care less. And i have nothing personal against Joe...seems like a nice guy. I just think Calzaghe is a bit overrated and lost a close fight to a past prime Hopkins.

joe is 37 nearly,,he would have murdered hopkins in his prime,and joe won that fight,end of.

[zhubin]

I have watched the fight three times...and i still Hopkins should have won a close decision. It all comes down to who LANDED more punches overall and who LANDED cleaner/more effective punches. I think compubox is a complete joke...so please don't use it as proof of Calzaghe out landing Hopkins. Calzaghe could have thrown a million punches...but even after the third time watching this fight...most of his punches neither landed nor were effective. Sure, Hopkins tired out. Sure, Hopkins almost completely relied on one punch (straight right). And yes, he fought ugly towards the end. But that all being said...he landed more, cleaner punches. Joe sure looked busy...but most of his punches either missed or where pitter patter shots that weren't all that effective. American or British...could care less. And i have nothing personal against Joe...seems like a nice guy. I just think Calzaghe is a bit overrated and lost a close fight to a past prime Hopkins.

joe is 37 nearly,,he would have murdered hopkins in his prime,and joe won that fight,end of.

Get Joe's balls out your mouth and learn some boxing history.

[Kel]

I have watched the fight three times...and i still Hopkins should have won a close decision. It all comes down to who LANDED more punches overall and who LANDED cleaner/more effective punches. I think compubox is a complete joke...so please don't use it as proof of Calzaghe out landing Hopkins. Calzaghe could have thrown a million punches...but even after the third time watching this fight...most of his punches neither landed nor were effective. Sure, Hopkins tired out. Sure, Hopkins almost completely relied on one punch (straight right). And yes, he fought ugly towards the end. But that all being said...he landed more, cleaner punches. Joe sure looked busy...but most of his punches either missed or where pitter patter shots that weren't all that effective. American or British...could care less. And i have nothing personal against Joe...seems like a nice guy. I just think Calzaghe is a bit overrated and lost a close fight to a past prime Hopkins.

joe is 37 nearly,,he would have murdered hopkins in his prime,and joe won that fight,end of.

Get Joe's balls out your mouth and learn some boxing history.

Spaz!

[zhubin]

joe is 37 nearly,,he would have murdered hopkins in his prime,and joe won that fight,end of.

Get Joe's balls out your mouth and learn some boxing history.

Spaz!

Wow. That really hurts my feelings.

[leftylee]

I had the fight real close, there is arguments on both fighter's behalf but I'm glad Joe C got it.

Talking about being sober or not VD I remember that you had that jug of gin haha, you couldn't spell a word right

[RozzySean]

There were too many close rounds this too be a clear UD. If you look back at my scorecard, and you give all 3 of Hopkins closely won rounds to Joe, maybe you would see it as "a clear UD."

I give credit for body work, and Hopkins landed tons of body shots on the inside to go with those straight rights, and there were some rounds where Joe barely landed a clear punch.

Like I said, Calzaghe won, barely, and for those of you who think he won a wide UD, a la 116-111. 1g5a22, please post your scorecard. I would love to see how you pulled that score off. I bet it looks exactly like Lederman's (cuz you're taking his word for it), and we all know that he's half blind and for that reason credits volume punchers way too much.

Are you Preme or SEANNIE under a new name?