I conceed.

[OumaFan]

McCain would be a nightmare, not as if our economy isn't bad enough, put him in charge, that sounds like a good idea. Might as well put me in charge or Lyle. Maybe not Lyle.

Obama's actually more popular among independents than Hillary. That, the economy (and McCain's complete lack of any real economic credibility), and the fact that Democrats are much more energized as far as turnout goes than Republicans, I'd be surprised if McCain won. Hopefully not, this country is in too bad a shape for another Republican to win.

I'll say this though, those "Democrats" that are supporting Hillary and say they won't vote for Obama are a fucking embarrassment. Fuck off, should all be shot. Maybe not shot (that's a bit excessive) but they disgust me. Obama and Hillary don't even have many real policy differences, because you have a PERSONALITY problem with Obama you're going to put another train wreck of a Republican in to office. Good that you care so much about the future of the country.

I'm sure most of them will change their mind by the time of the election but its still ridiculous.

[RozzySean]

McCain would be a nightmare, not as if our economy isn't bad enough, put him in charge, that sounds like a good idea. Might as well put me in charge or Lyle. Maybe not Lyle.

Obama's actually more popular among independents than Hillary. That, the economy (and McCain's complete lack of any real economic credibility), and the fact that Democrats are much more energized as far as turnout goes than Republicans, I'd be surprised if McCain won. Hopefully not, this country is in too bad a shape for another Republican to win.

I'll say this though, those "Democrats" that are supporting Hillary and say they won't vote for Obama are a fucking embarrassment. Fuck off, should all be shot. Maybe not shot (that's a bit excessive) but they disgust me. Obama and Hillary don't even have many real policy differences, because you have a PERSONALITY problem with Obama you're going to put another train wreck of a Republican in to office. Good that you care so much about the future of the country.

I'm sure most of them will change their mind by the time of the election but its still ridiculous.

I won't take too much offense to that, Oumafan, because I'm a independent. You are right that when it comes to the ideology and the theory of there policy, Obama and Hillary aren't much different. Personality-wise, I prefer Obama, and for a while, I was enthusiastic about him, but being president is not just about your policies. It's also about your management skill, your understanding of world politics, and your experience dealing with the legislature. It's about gravitas. There are substantive differences between Hillary and Obama.

Lyle drinks the Republican Kool-Aide, but he is right that McCain would make a decent president. Even Hillary acknowledges that. In fact, McCain acknowledges that Hillary would be a good president. I've seen both of them asked the question directly, and although they have differences in believe and policy, each believes the other is a qualified candidate.

However, Lyle, I think you are dead ass wrong that Obama would be more divisive than Bush. I don't think it's possible to be more divisive than Bush and at least Obama would TRY to build bridges with the other side. And Democrats aren't any more greedy than Republicans. Just like Republicans, they are severely misguided about some things.

[El Kabong]

I'm a registered Independent myself.... so you are wrong in assuming I "drink the Republican Kool-Aide" I'm not even a registered Republican.

I know John McCain because I wanted him to win in 2000, I've followed his career for quite some time now and I know that he above everyone else in politics as a whole works with people regardless of their political party and he is solution oriented he wants to ACCOMPLISH something.


I suppose Hillary and Obama know EVERYTHING about economics ....McCain is honest and he's telling America the same thing he told those people in Michigan "You've lost your jobs, they aren't going to come back, we have to create new jobs and you have to prepare yourselves to do them".

Meanwhile Hillary and Obama have kissed so many asses their lips are chapped.


PRESIDENTS DON'T HANDLE THE ECONOMY......ADVISORS HANDLE THE ECONOMY.

Some Presidents get lucky and some Presidents have to scratch and claw their way to break even, them's the breaks buddy. Sure they can affect the market a little bit but hell so can companies like Enron or Google....the President has no control over those things so give it a rest about the economy...McCain was at least man enough to admit his shortcomings whereas Obama has no flaws

If it wasn't for North Carolina Barack would have withered away into the background worse than Howard Dean in 2000. Barack is a face, he's a speaker, he's not a leader, he is an empty vessle in which liberals pour their hopes and dreams most of which I might add are slightly to overtly socialist.

[amat]

If it wasn't for North Carolina Barack would have withered away into the background worse than Howard Dean in 2000. Barack is a face, he's a speaker, he's not a leader, he is an empty vessle in which liberals pour their hopes and dreams most of which I might add are slightly to overtly socialist.

You can't be serious? If it wasn't for North Carolina? Is that a joke? Lyle what are you talking about here? Obama had a sizable lead entering North Carolina and North Carolina just kind of put the last nail in the coffin of Hillary. Obama could have sat on a beach chair after that long string of consecutive wins he had and sipped on a lemonade and still won the nomination. North Carolina was good to him but he did not need it, Hillary's fate has been sealed for a while.

[boozeboxer]

Who appoints advisors?

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm a registered Independent myself.... so you are wrong in assuming I "drink the Republican Kool-Aide" I'm not even a registered Republican.

I know John McCain because I wanted him to win in 2000, I've followed his career for quite some time now and I know that he above everyone else in politics as a whole works with people regardless of their political party and he is solution oriented he wants to ACCOMPLISH something.


I suppose Hillary and Obama know EVERYTHING about economics ....McCain is honest and he's telling America the same thing he told those people in Michigan "You've lost your jobs, they aren't going to come back, we have to create new jobs and you have to prepare yourselves to do them".

Meanwhile Hillary and Obama have kissed so many asses their lips are chapped.


PRESIDENTS DON'T HANDLE THE ECONOMY......ADVISORS HANDLE THE ECONOMY.

Some Presidents get lucky and some Presidents have to scratch and claw their way to break even, them's the breaks buddy. Sure they can affect the market a little bit but hell so can companies like Enron or Google....the President has no control over those things so give it a rest about the economy...McCain was at least man enough to admit his shortcomings whereas Obama has no flaws

If it wasn't for North Carolina Barack would have withered away into the background worse than Howard Dean in 2000. Barack is a face, he's a speaker, he's not a leader, he is an empty vessle in which liberals pour their hopes and dreams most of which I might add are slightly to overtly socialist.

Presidents do handle economic policy, like George Bush did getting his disastrous tax cut policies made into law.

Bush's Council of Economic Advisors is down to one economic advisor, no reputable economist wanting to be associated with the trainwreck that is Bush economic policy.

Would you be happy that instead of taxing oil companies the US government just took away the $70-100 billion corporate welfare handouts the oil industry gets from the government every year?

[El Kabong]

Would you be happy that instead of taxing oil companies the US government just took away the $70-100 billion corporate welfare handouts the oil industry gets from the government every year?

I'd be happy if farmers were not paid just to grow corn for fucking ethanol which can't be helping gas prices OR food prices.



I voted in the Democratic Primaries here in North Carolina thank you very much


Rozzy then stop arguing with me...I believe in the Constitution, I believe in individual choices and responsibility and which party again does the better job of the two at those issues (bar abortion).

Trainer....listen you can't be held accountable for someone else's wrong doings and that dude resigned.....and I'll have you know Cindy McCain had her troubles back in 1989 and right now she's better first lady material than Jimmy Carter with a Fox Attitude Bill Clinton or some Black Panther wannabe Michelle Obama.

You want to talk SCANDAL what about Rezko or Bill Ayers or Rev. Wright or Norman Hsu or Vince Foster or Snipergate or Watergate or Sandy Berger or Monica, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, or the girl Bill raped and no one ever talks about it Juanita Broadrick

We can start slinging mud but I'll warn you it's going to end up mainly on YOUR side


....cheated on his first wife....give me a fucking break....McCain does it ONCE and all of a sudden it's a big deal ....where were you in the 1990's Jumping off points.....buddy you don't even know.

Tell me the Democrats aren't exactly what they call the Republicans....politics is full of liars and cheats and the good ones get away with it but the difference between you and me is I know it's true and you're still holding out hope that Obama isn't a dirty fucking bastard....you can't get anywhere in politics without SOMEBODY having something on you it's the cold hard truth.


I love America, I love what has been passed on to me and I don't want people to berate it and talk crap about it....I just want people to be like me and work to make it better and that's where our views change on how to make it better...I don't want a bunch of brain dead hippies burning flags and chanting in the street I want them to get a fucking job and do something with themselves which MAY in turn change policies. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

[Trainer Monkey]

Wait,your managment style is you hire a guy with those ties,and your not accountable?
In what buisness do you work?
There are these things called interviews,its a key part of managment,actually its the main part
He didnt bother to check out the guy who was running his own convention,and you want him to run the country?

[El Kabong]

....ok fine a lobbyist tried to help someone with PR for money.....WOW surprise


Now would someone explain to me Ronald Brown and Vince Foster's untimely deaths

I wouldn't expect Obama to have anything big happen yet but it'll happen and when it does, I'm going to be here waiting for an explination...although he could explain his ties to Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and how those ties did NOT affect his political views

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm a registered Independent myself.... so you are wrong in assuming I "drink the Republican Kool-Aide" I'm not even a registered Republican.

I know John McCain because I wanted him to win in 2000, I've followed his career for quite some time now and I know that he above everyone else in politics as a whole works with people regardless of their political party and he is solution oriented he wants to ACCOMPLISH something.


I suppose Hillary and Obama know EVERYTHING about economics ....McCain is honest and he's telling America the same thing he told those people in Michigan "You've lost your jobs, they aren't going to come back, we have to create new jobs and you have to prepare yourselves to do them".

Meanwhile Hillary and Obama have kissed so many asses their lips are chapped.


PRESIDENTS DON'T HANDLE THE ECONOMY......ADVISORS HANDLE THE ECONOMY.

Some Presidents get lucky and some Presidents have to scratch and claw their way to break even, them's the breaks buddy. Sure they can affect the market a little bit but hell so can companies like Enron or Google....the President has no control over those things so give it a rest about the economy...McCain was at least man enough to admit his shortcomings whereas Obama has no flaws

If it wasn't for North Carolina Barack would have withered away into the background worse than Howard Dean in 2000. Barack is a face, he's a speaker, he's not a leader, he is an empty vessle in which liberals pour their hopes and dreams most of which I might add are slightly to overtly socialist.

Presidents do handle economic policy, like George Bush did getting his disastrous tax cut policies made into law.

Bush's Council of Economic Advisors is down to one economic advisor, no reputable economist wanting to be associated with the trainwreck that is Bush economic policy.

Would you be happy that instead of taxing oil companies the US government just took away the $70-100 billion corporate welfare handouts the oil industry gets from the government every year?

I notice you're dodging answering any of these questions. That's because facts and evidence don't matter to you and unfortunately a lot of Americans. Like the nonsense about America being capitalist, for instance. We're seeing the biggest-ever corporate socialist giveaway in history by the US government to the banking industry, the ongoing yearly corporate socialist payments to all the other US industries that get them and you're talking about capitalism.


In America private profits are allowed to remain private, but losses by private corporations like the recent banking losses are socialised, meaning they come out of your pocket. Heads they win, tails you lose, and you can't wait to vote again for the same bunch of crooks who've been relentlessly shafting you since you were old enough to work.

[El Kabong]

KL you like socialism then move to a socialist country and IF America was socialist then stop fucking complaining about it comrade.

You don't like supply side economics, you don't believe in it....that's fine go right ahead. I am not going ot try and argue it with you because you're not going to want to try to understand it so it's pointless to answer your questions KL....understand?

I'm not dodging, I'm saving you and me valueable time. I believe my way you believe your way...tax cuts don't destroy the economy like this, the Fed Rate cuts might but not tax cuts. Over spending might but not tax cuts. When you cut taxes you have to make it worth a citizen's while for them to SPEND their money and right now there's nothing out there to spend it on. Besides the taxes on the oil companies alone SHOULD have made up for any tax cut made by W.

John McCain isn't a crook and also a lot of good your democrats have done lately. John McCain's politics represent more of America than Hillary or Obama because he doesn't tow the party line, he can come across the isle and work with people of other political parties, and he has a heart and takes people into consideration with his policies.

You want to hate him then go right ahead. I'm done for now, I'll be back once you're all done driving the Democrat Party into the ground.....AGAIN

[Kirkland Laing]

KL you like socialism then move to a socialist country and IF America was socialist then stop fucking complaining about it comrade.

You don't like supply side economics, you don't believe in it....that's fine go right ahead. I am not going ot try and argue it with you because you're not going to want to try to understand it so it's pointless to answer your questions KL....understand?

I'm not dodging, I'm saving you and me valueable time. I believe my way you believe your way...tax cuts don't destroy the economy like this, the Fed Rate cuts might but not tax cuts. Over spending might but not tax cuts. When you cut taxes you have to make it worth a citizen's while for them to SPEND their money and right now there's nothing out there to spend it on. Besides the taxes on the oil companies alone SHOULD have made up for any tax cut made by W.

John McCain isn't a crook and also a lot of good your democrats have done lately. John McCain's politics represent more of America than Hillary or Obama because he doesn't tow the party line, he can come across the isle and work with people of other political parties, and he has a heart and takes people into consideration with his policies.

You want to hate him then go right ahead. I'm done for now, I'll be back once you're all done driving the Democrat Party into the ground.....AGAIN

I don't like socialism, I'm an ardent capitalist. I especially don't like corporate socialism. At least in Europe the handouts go to the people, not corporations.

You can't make an argument for supply-side economics, you're not capable of doing it. You just have this touching belief that tax cuts somehow work, in the face of all the facts and evidence.

Bush is making the Fed cut rates so shouldn't Bush get the blame for the damage rate cuts are doing to the economy, especially because they're a reaction to the failure of his other dumbass economic policies?

The oil compnies get tens of billions in government handouts every year, sometimews over a hundred billion. Do you think the government should continue paying them these subsidies?

John McCain is a flip-flopping bullshitter who pretends to be a "maverick." He's a clueless dummy that makes the incumbent clueless dummy look like a great man. He's easily the worst possible choice of all three candidates and it's because he'll carry on the same dumbass Bush policies that I hope he wins. The only way there'll ever be significant change in America is if the current lunatic Republican policies are continues till their inevitable spectacualr failure, and McCain is just the man to do it.

[RozzySean]

I'm a registered Independent myself.... so you are wrong in assuming I "drink the Republican Kool-Aide" I'm not even a registered Republican.

I know John McCain because I wanted him to win in 2000, I've followed his career for quite some time now and I know that he above everyone else in politics as a whole works with people regardless of their political party and he is solution oriented he wants to ACCOMPLISH something.


I suppose Hillary and Obama know EVERYTHING about economics ....McCain is honest and he's telling America the same thing he told those people in Michigan "You've lost your jobs, they aren't going to come back, we have to create new jobs and you have to prepare yourselves to do them".

Meanwhile Hillary and Obama have kissed so many asses their lips are chapped.


PRESIDENTS DON'T HANDLE THE ECONOMY......ADVISORS HANDLE THE ECONOMY.

Some Presidents get lucky and some Presidents have to scratch and claw their way to break even, them's the breaks buddy. Sure they can affect the market a little bit but hell so can companies like Enron or Google....the President has no control over those things so give it a rest about the economy...McCain was at least man enough to admit his shortcomings whereas Obama has no flaws

If it wasn't for North Carolina Barack would have withered away into the background worse than Howard Dean in 2000. Barack is a face, he's a speaker, he's not a leader, he is an empty vessle in which liberals pour their hopes and dreams most of which I might add are slightly to overtly socialist.

For a non-Republican you sure do a good impersonation of one Are there any Democrats you like? I'm just curious when you last voted for one of them. Believe it or not, I voted for Romney for governor and I think he did a pretty good job, before he started worrying more about trying to become President than running the state and puckering up the religious right.

Listen, I told you already, I like McCain. I was praying for him to run against Bush as an independent in 2004. I'm not sure there has every been a candidate with whom I agreed on everything or voted for with some concerns over an issue or two. Like you said yourself, McCain had to kiss the ring and play to the base of the party. The base of the Republican party scares just as much, if not more, than the base of the Democrat party. Yes, advisers handle the economy, but presidents choose the advisers and at the end of the day, they make final decisions.

Yeah companies can effect the economy as much as presidents, but the President can choose how much or how little to regulate. Republican EXECUTIVE refusal to properly monitor certain industries has played a direct role in Enron, the sub-prime crisis, and back in the day, the S & L bailout. I'm more comfortable with a President who understands that corporations need policing just like everybody else. I hope Mr. McCain agrees, but most of his party certainly doesn't.

But that's secondary. I believe in personal freedom and the Constitution. I believe in a woman's right to choose, I believe in the separation of church and state. I believe corporate monopolies are dangerous and unconstitutional. I believe in habeas corpus, justification for search warrants, the right to view internet porn, and the release of non-violent drug offenders so we can stop wasting money and keep real criminals in jail without spending more of my tax dollars on prisons. I also agree with the right to carry guns (unlike Mrs. Clinton), but P4P on the issues regarding personal freedom, I prefer Clinton.

But at the end of the day, Lyle, for whatever our different reasons, you and I will vote for the same guy if Obama gets the nod. Ain't American great?

[Spicoli]

For myself,This will be a 'turn and cough' voting year.I am In Independent and have voted Republican,Democrat and Libertarian.At a point in 2000 I was set to vote for McCain and felt he was Savaged by Bush and his operatives with the whisper/shout smears.For the record I believe Bush to be an absolute farce and dangerous,An Insult to the Military & exploits them and lives in a world of Catch phrases and simplistic quips.I do believe that the dye has been cast and Clinton needs to put the pride in the pocket and step aside so Obama and McCain can get down to hashing it all out.Obama better buckle up because he will get it from all fronts,I know very little about him but we will soon hear more than we cared to know i feel.I see this one getting ugly but do hope they sincerely focus on our pressing concerns......The Economy,My nephews and nieces paying off this immense bebt,This short sided/mis managed /non thought out War that will be with us for quite some time,regardless of who becomes our Commander in chief.