I conceed.

[El Kabong]

...TM are you a miner or do you come from a family of miners or something?


I don't like Unions anyway

[boozeboxer]

...TM are you a miner or do you come from a family of miners or something?


I don't like Unions anyway

Lyle, the Unions created holidays, weekends, and essentially the middle class in America. Unions have been very good to this country and have done okay despite many efforts to kill them (notably Reagan).

Unions often strike over unsafe work conditions that companies could not "afford" to implement. The bottom line is that mining companies are like most companies. Greedy. They will endanger workers gravely if it would help the bottom line. Unions were created because enough was enough. The workers were overworked (to the detriment of their safety), underpaid, and laid off at the very convenience of the employer. However people of like trades started to ban together and demand at least some of the benefits from their toils. They became a voice together, because singled out, workers were fired and unemployed or shot and killed.


Wal-mart fights unions very hard, because they know they aren't pulling their weight. They know they undercompensate their workers. They know that they are draining the US economy because the workers have to submit to government welfare. So they keep pushing anti-union propaganda, very strongly. Saying they will close up shop in any town that creates a union. And that the workers shouldn't need a union because they always have a voice in the company. Yeah. right. Not suprisingly, Wal-mart is big in pushing for welfare type subsidies, because the workers would be unable to keep working for them at shit wages without it.

I find it ironic that unions are to blame because the US cannot compete with foreign auto manufacturers and other trades and we need free trade! Yet, these are the very same people who will not allow the importation of CHEAP ethanol from Brazil. Everyone wants it both ways. They want to spout capitalism and then mercanitilism when it suits. In short we have let a greedy corporate monster, the almighty dollar manipulate a nation. (Side note--ADM will take a huge toll on the American people with its manipulation of ethanol and other energy concerns in the very near future.)

[Kirkland Laing]

When you manage to make a substantive point I'll reply.

[El Kabong]

My post of Barack saying what he truly thinks to a room full of millionaires speaks for itself.......no really, just press play, it speaks



As for Unions their only purpose now'a'days is to keep people (who deserve it) from getting fired. The UAW is a MAIN reason the US can't produce a profit from making cars. Ethanol is worthless, there is plenty of oil and if we were to buy from Brazil what do you think OPEC would do to the price of oil if something as crappy as ethanol was competing with it?? What OPEC ALWAYS DOES raise the prices OR cut production.....OR maybe have some "attacks" on pipelines

[Trainer Monkey]

My post of Barack saying what he truly thinks to a room full of millionaires speaks for itself.......no really, just press play, it speaks



As for Unions their only purpose now'a'days is to keep people (who deserve it) from getting fired. The UAW is a MAIN reason the US can't produce a profit from making cars. Ethanol is worthless, there is plenty of oil and if we were to buy from Brazil what do you think OPEC would do to the price of oil if something as crappy as ethanol was competing with it?? What OPEC ALWAYS DOES raise the prices OR cut production.....OR maybe have some "attacks" on pipelines

The UAW,right,
It wouldnt have anything to do with all those jobs that got moved to Mexico were they get paid pennies would it
Who do you think pays to keep ethanol production down?
Im sorry,the two largest quarterly profits ever posted by percenatge and gross,ever in the human history are by Exxon/Mobil and your crying for the fuel industry?

[El Kabong]

The UAW,right,
It wouldnt have anything to do with all those jobs that got moved to Mexico were they get paid pennies would it
Who do you think pays to keep ethanol production down?
Im sorry,the two largest quarterly profits ever posted by percenatge and gross,ever in the human history are by Exxon/Mobil and your crying for the fuel industry?

The UAW has pensions to pay for and can't turn big profits because of it.


I wouldn't know about anyone paying to keep ethanol production down...I know I as a tax payer pay to subsidize farmers to grow just corn for ethanol production. And ethanol is worthless as fuck it's a horrible fuel and it's not efficient to produce.

Once again, who taxes Exxon/Mobil....larger priofits = more money for the government

[Trainer Monkey]

The UAW,right,
It wouldnt have anything to do with all those jobs that got moved to Mexico were they get paid pennies would it
Who do you think pays to keep ethanol production down?
Im sorry,the two largest quarterly profits ever posted by percenatge and gross,ever in the human history are by Exxon/Mobil and your crying for the fuel industry?

The UAW has pensions to pay for and can't turn big profits because of it.


I wouldn't know about anyone paying to keep ethanol production down...I know I as a tax payer pay to subsidize farmers to grow just corn for ethanol production. And ethanol is worthless as fuck it's a horrible fuel and it's not efficient to produce.

Once again, who taxes Exxon/Mobil....larger priofits = more money for the government

Taxes Exxon/Mobil
Oh har de har,did you just move here?
Theyve got 5 million caman islands hidey hole to stash the loot in,they arent paying crap
You are,but they aint baby boy,Im betting you dollars to donoughts the head of Exxon would need pie charts to explain to him what income tax is

[boozeboxer]

So you suggest the way to fight Opec is to deny any other sources of alternative fuels

While I think that corn ethanol is a losers game, I am not convinced (and am no expert of course) that other sources of ethanol aren't viable. While ethanol is an inferior product, if it is cheap enough I have no doubt that it can work.

I think you have stated a gross overstatement of unions Lyle. For someone that was a political science major, you should know that very few broad, over-reaching statements are thoroughly correct. Unions interact in a variety of complex ways with our changing economy, and just by pointing out UAW, which probably is the largest union, is unfair.
Blanket statements of any topic are generally incorrect.

As for the "attacks on pipelines"; when people succumb to fear in such a silly way, they might as well give up.

[El Kabong]

So you suggest the way to fight Opec is to deny any other sources of alternative fuels

While I think that corn ethanol is a losers game, I am not convinced (and am no expert of course) that other sources of ethanol aren't viable. While ethanol is an inferior product, if it is cheap enough I have no doubt that it can work.

I think you have stated a gross overstatement of unions Lyle. For someone that was a political science major, you should know that very few broad, over-reaching statements are thoroughly correct. Unions interact in a variety of complex ways with our changing economy, and just by pointing out UAW, which probably is the largest union, is unfair.
Blanket statements of any topic are generally incorrect.

As for the "attacks on pipelines"; when people succumb to fear in such a silly way, they might as well give up.

The way to stick it to OPEC is to produce our own oil.

Biodesiel would be the way to go if you were going to make your own fuel.

I was a PSYCHOLOGY major... Unions have done good in the past but have done nothing lately

[Trainer Monkey]

...TM are you a miner or do you come from a family of miners or something?


I don't like Unions anyway

This entire state runs on the mines,and if you dont like a union here,you dont like life either,because otherwise your a dead man walking