Ricky Hatton; Good Call.

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urango got soundly beaten BECAUSE he had no way of matching hattons workrate and his main attribute just happened to be hattons who was much much better at it.

To use urango as an example is baseless. Hatton hasnt had to go to war with anyone since he fought tszyu and when he did try to against floyd he got stopped every time.

As for floyd being busier on the inside

If you count ducking and springing up with an overhand every time they clenched then you may be right. Thats not what i call fighting on the "inside" and however hard ricky tried to turn the fight into a battle it got broken up.

You stick floyd in wembley stadium, with a medium sized ring and a ref like micky vann and you take mayweather out of his comfort zone and turn the tables completely into hattons favour.

And what exactly was Hatton doing on the inside when they were allowed to? he certainly wasn't throwing any punches, and that goes for the later rounds against the inexperienced Urango as well.

Whatever he did, it saw him win 11/12 rounds.

I'm not disputing that Hatton is a very good inside fighter, I'm disputing the claim that he could best every fighter at 147 on the inside.

Hammer: I think we have different perspectives on good inside work, I'm talking about fighting within range in general (e.g.Frazier) than just the hook and hold style, by your reckoning Ruiz is the finest exponent of inside fighting in history.

I remember the old Hatton fights pre Tzyu where he used good footwork to get inside, unload his shots and get out safely, without excessive holding. I can understand the strategy for Tzyu to completely smother him since his most powerful punches were delivered from a distance, but he's stayed with pretty much the same strategy since, either through choice or he's let himself go so much betwwen fights he no longer has the legs in the later rounds.

[donnydarkoIRL]

And what exactly was Hatton doing on the inside when they were allowed to? he certainly wasn't throwing any punches, and that goes for the later rounds against the inexperienced Urango as well.

Whatever he did, it saw him win 11/12 rounds.

I'm not disputing that Hatton is a very good inside fighter, I'm disputing the claim that he could best every fighter at 147 on the inside.

Hammer: I think we have different perspectives on good inside work, I'm talking about fighting within range in general (e.g.Frazier) than just the hook and hold style, by your reckoning Ruiz is the finest exponent of inside fighting in history.

I remember the old Hatton fights pre Tzyu where he used good footwork to get inside, unload his shots and get out safely, without excessive holding. I can understand the strategy for Tzyu to completely smother him since his most powerful punches were delivered from a distance, but he's stayed with pretty much the same strategy since, either through choice or he's let himself go so much betwwen fights he no longer has the legs in the later rounds.

Hatton is not competitive at 147.

Huge Hatton fan but thats a fact.

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Whatever he did, it saw him win 11/12 rounds.

I'm not disputing that Hatton is a very good inside fighter, I'm disputing the claim that he could best every fighter at 147 on the inside.

Hammer: I think we have different perspectives on good inside work, I'm talking about fighting within range in general (e.g.Frazier) than just the hook and hold style, by your reckoning Ruiz is the finest exponent of inside fighting in history.

I remember the old Hatton fights pre Tzyu where he used good footwork to get inside, unload his shots and get out safely, without excessive holding. I can understand the strategy for Tzyu to completely smother him since his most powerful punches were delivered from a distance, but he's stayed with pretty much the same strategy since, either through choice or he's let himself go so much betwwen fights he no longer has the legs in the later rounds.

Hatton is not competitive at 147.

Huge Hatton fan but thats a fact.

I agree he has'nt got the strength at 147 to stay on the inside and bully his opponent.Also he isnt a ko artist at 140 he's only a solid puncher and when he is at 147 it has no affect on those guys.

Can you imagine Hatton going on the inside with Cotto i think there would only be 1 out come and it is'nt in Ricky favour.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'm not disputing that Hatton is a very good inside fighter, I'm disputing the claim that he could best every fighter at 147 on the inside.

Hammer: I think we have different perspectives on good inside work, I'm talking about fighting within range in general (e.g.Frazier) than just the hook and hold style, by your reckoning Ruiz is the finest exponent of inside fighting in history.

I remember the old Hatton fights pre Tzyu where he used good footwork to get inside, unload his shots and get out safely, without excessive holding. I can understand the strategy for Tzyu to completely smother him since his most powerful punches were delivered from a distance, but he's stayed with pretty much the same strategy since, either through choice or he's let himself go so much betwwen fights he no longer has the legs in the later rounds.

Hatton is not competitive at 147.

Huge Hatton fan but thats a fact.

I agree he has'nt got the strength at 147 to stay on the inside and bully his opponent.Also he isnt a ko artist at 140 he's only a solid puncher and when he is at 147 it has no affect on those guys.

Can you imagine Hatton going on the inside with Cotto i think there would only be 1 out come and it is'nt in Ricky favour.

Ricky could have handled Cotto at 140.
But at 147 Cotto is a different type of machine.

[HattonTheHammer]

And what exactly was Hatton doing on the inside when they were allowed to? he certainly wasn't throwing any punches, and that goes for the later rounds against the inexperienced Urango as well.

Whatever he did, it saw him win 11/12 rounds.

I'm not disputing that Hatton is a very good inside fighter, I'm disputing the claim that he could best every fighter at 147 on the inside.

Hammer: I think we have different perspectives on good inside work, I'm talking about fighting within range in general (e.g.Frazier) than just the hook and hold style, by your reckoning Ruiz is the finest exponent of inside fighting in history.

I remember the old Hatton fights pre Tzyu where he used good footwork to get inside, unload his shots and get out safely, without excessive holding. I can understand the strategy for Tzyu to completely smother him since his most powerful punches were delivered from a distance, but he's stayed with pretty much the same strategy since, either through choice or he's let himself go so much betwwen fights he no longer has the legs in the later rounds.

The level of competition he was fighting back in the days where he actually seemed a sound technician werent nowhere the sort of oppo he is facing now.

For a time ricky was excellent at slipping in and out - being able to hit his guy without having to take anything back, but the core of his work involved bullying his guy onto the ropes and forcing the fight which everybody at the time realised would be his best attribute come the prime level of fighters he would inevitably take on.

As said many a time at 140 hatton can bully an opponent and dictate a fight how he likes, but at 147 he got found out for being a tad one dimensional and of course against the A* opposition like cotto, mayweather youve got to be able to provide a B plan which ricky unfortunately didnt have.

What i still stand firm on though is that floyd/cotto even marg wouldnt neccesitate the idea of fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that ricky loves to do and when all is said and done hatton even at 147 is still in my eyes the best exporter of trading on the inside!!

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Whatever he did, it saw him win 11/12 rounds.

I'm not disputing that Hatton is a very good inside fighter, I'm disputing the claim that he could best every fighter at 147 on the inside.

Hammer: I think we have different perspectives on good inside work, I'm talking about fighting within range in general (e.g.Frazier) than just the hook and hold style, by your reckoning Ruiz is the finest exponent of inside fighting in history.

I remember the old Hatton fights pre Tzyu where he used good footwork to get inside, unload his shots and get out safely, without excessive holding. I can understand the strategy for Tzyu to completely smother him since his most powerful punches were delivered from a distance, but he's stayed with pretty much the same strategy since, either through choice or he's let himself go so much betwwen fights he no longer has the legs in the later rounds.

The level of competition he was fighting back in the days where he actually seemed a sound technician werent nowhere the sort of oppo he is facing now.

For a time ricky was excellent at slipping in and out - being able to hit his guy without having to take anything back, but the core of his work involved bullying his guy onto the ropes and forcing the fight which everybody at the time realised would be his best attribute come the prime level of fighters he would inevitably take on.

As said many a time at 140 hatton can bully an opponent and dictate a fight how he likes, but at 147 he got found out for being a tad one dimensional and of course against the A* opposition like cotto, mayweather youve got to be able to provide a B plan which ricky unfortunately didnt have.

What i still stand firm on though is that floyd/cotto even marg wouldnt neccesitate the idea of fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that ricky loves to do and when all is said and done hatton even at 147 is still in my eyes the best exporter of trading on the inside!!

Watch the Uragno fight again and tell me he didn't have his best work early when he still had the legs to move back out, and that the precarious moments in the mid rounds occured because he got tired and couldn't move out effectively anymore. He was still getting in unscathed but staying to admire his work before getting cracked with body shots, granted he pulled it round again with the tactic you're referring to, but IMO he was far less effective than in the first rounds and he only marginally took the later rounds.