Is There A Case For A Boxer Being Higher Than SRR P4P ??

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This is a bit of a toughie for me to answer, because when we are talking pound for pound I personally place far more emphasis on a fighters form, and how good I actually feel they were, rather than what they accomplished. I mean isn't that logical?? As far as a record and achievements within the sport go, noone will ever surpass Ray Robinson. It just isn't possible to have as many fights, and as many wins over good fighters these days. The way fighters are handled has drastically changed. Does that mean that there couldn't possibly be a better fighter than SRR? Not at all imo. I think Roy Jones, Whittaker, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, and possibly Mayweather all WERE better than Robinson ever was. I feel it's unfair to hold SRR's p4p ranking as untouchable(as most seem to) based on the quality wins he had..

Oh i agree with you there from what i've seen Robinson was very beatable. But thats the problem i think when we say *From what we have seen*. Because most of the footage is of Robinson at Middleweight when he was past his peak. Theres hardly any footage of when he was at his prime at Welterweight, so really and truthfully skill wise we don't actually know how good he really was at his best, but i still agree with what your saying but i would still put him in the top 10 of all time skill wise.

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This is a bit of a toughie for me to answer, because when we are talking pound for pound I personally place far more emphasis on a fighters form, and how good I actually feel they were, rather than what they accomplished. I mean isn't that logical?? As far as a record and achievements within the sport go, noone will ever surpass Ray Robinson. It just isn't possible to have as many fights, and as many wins over good fighters these days. The way fighters are handled has drastically changed. Does that mean that there couldn't possibly be a better fighter than SRR? Not at all imo. I think Roy Jones, Whittaker, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, and possibly Mayweather all WERE better than Robinson ever was. I feel it's unfair to hold SRR's p4p ranking as untouchable(as most seem to) based on the quality wins he had..

Oh i agree with you there from what i've seen Robinson was very beatable. But thats the problem i think when we say *From what we have seen*. Because most of the footage is of Robinson at Middleweight when he was past his peak. Theres hardly any footage of when he was at his prime at Welterweight, so really and truthfully skill wise we don't actually know how good he really was at his best, but i still agree with what your saying but i would still put him in the top 10 of all time skill wise.

Good point, now that you mention it I don't think I've seen a single full fight of Robinson at welter, just snippets, you know of any availabe online? That really does just add to my point though imo, as I'm sure most everyone who doesn't dare question his being no.1 p4p all time, haven't seen much of him as a welter either. I will say with full confidence that based solely on his campaign as a middleweight, there's no way you could call him the best p4p fighter to ever live.