What the fuck is up with Obama's church?!?

[CFH]

any indications on whose favourite atm mate? and when exactly does this take place?

I believe it takes place in early Nov., but I could be wrong. I'm not sure if there is a favorite at this point. Obviously the real battle is for the independent/undecided voters, as well as those who don't normally vote, as Republicans almost always vote for the Republican and Democrats almost always vote for the Democrat. Honestly, I think they're both shit, but if I was an American, which I'm not, I would vote for Obama because McCain represents the old guard of US politics, which quite frankly disgusts me.

got to be honest here and say i know very little about American politics....so i cant relate to this Old Guard politics you speak of? What is meant by that? Obama supports the same football (Soccer) team as me lol....apparently got introduced to them on a trip to Britain and had a soft spot for them ever since!

By old guard I just meant more of the same (though it is not confined only to the Republican party). I actually don't think McCain would be that bad of a President, when compared to the Bushes or Reagan.
From what I have seen, Obama promises a great deal of change, such as health-care, a more liberal agenda, different foreign policy etc., though he'd never use the word liberal as it would be political suicide. However, so far he has been very light on the specific details. I think McCain will win, and honestly he's probably more qualified to run the country, I just like the concept of change promoted by Obama. In reality, whoever wins will likely effect very little real change in the political process.

[cockey cockney]

same old same.....politics these days no matter where they are, will be exactly the same. IE two main parties fighting it out...withvery little scope for really significant movements ie Old Labour and Tory in the old days could enforce real changes which just are not possible anymore, the middle ground is what wins elections now, parties have recognised this and have moulded there policies to fit is the sad truth of it!

[CFH]

same old same.....politics these days no matter where they are, will be exactly the same. IE two main parties fighting it out...withvery little scope for really significant movements ie Old Labour and Tory in the old days could enforce real changes which just are not possible anymore, the middle ground is what wins elections now, parties have recognised this and have moulded there policies to fit is the sad truth of it!

No doubt about that. We have 4 major parties here, with a 5th on the rise. At times one of them has had the stated goal of breaking up the country (well, putting it to a referendum) and it only represents the wishes of one province.
In reality though, only 2 of the parties have a real chance at getting elected, and one of the (the Liberals) hold office the vast majority of the time.